Its amazing the excuses people give for poor quality control. These people are the same who would've bought a Ford Pinto and then defended it right until they were rear ended. The brand loyalty thing I just don't get, what happened to wanting a working get you paid for product? Is this really the state of our country where mediocrity is the standard? Don't answer...I've already read enough replies to know.
It seems people repeatedly purchase automobiles, find all the defects and return the auto for repairs. This is an expected and accepted practice for a high percentage if not all new auto sales. Let the same practice happen on a knife and the snobs come to life.
I don't know if that's a serious post or not. I've never bought a car and expected there to be problems where I'd have to immediately put it in the shop for weeks just to fix some stuff that should've been good from the factory. Is that really expected by most people? Because I don't. If your post was sarcastic, then disregard. And to be fair, there are many, many more moving parts outsourced to different manufacturers on a car. A knife really is a piece of metal attached to pieces of plastic or other metal with a metal pin. Nowhere nearly as complex as a car. I'm still trying to figure out if you're being serious.
My ZT framelocks close easily with one hand... Until I actually use them to cut anything moderately hard. I think that's the point BB is making. They perform very well at flipping and fondling, but once you start using the knife the issues (read: poor lock geometry) become aparent. I'm just coming off a long ZT bender, so I obviously like the knives. Dabbling in my previous loves and realizing these issues with ZT though...
Its called life, apparently you can't deal with it. This happens with all kinds of merchandise and products, not just knives. You take the very vocal and very few people here who have had issues and blow it way out of proportion. Considering the thousands of knives they sell each week, I will bet you money that the percentage of knives that actually have issues is very low. I have bought many knives that have had issues from other makers and have either fixed the issue myself, returned it for repair or just returned it for refund. Its really not that hard and not nearly life threatening as YOU make it sound....
Hey now, don't go thinking I said that. But yeah, I think more people can make a good knife than a good car. If you can show me 1,000 people in the US that can take raw materials and transform those raw materials into a car in their backyard and garage, then I'll concede that point. You and I both know that there are 1,000 people in the US who can turn out a functional knife.
You apologists are shooting yourself in the foot. As long as there are plenty of uncritical supporters around they have no incentive to improve their game.
Very few? That's just from one thread, from the past 12 hours. To which the responses inevitably consisted of.. Fine and all, but I'm having trouble believing the praise for ZT customer service due to the people who needed multiple trips to have issues fixed, often issues that should have been caught by QC in the first place. Another case of the "very vocal and very few"?
Agreed, they make so many knives it is rare, I have knowledge they have over half dozen guys testing these out before they ship. lock testing included. you cannot make a flipper frame lick perfect for everyone. there are too many variables. I think they do a great job at blending everybody's needs together. lunch break over. hottest day this year at 78. And a 15 hour shift and counting.
I love the righteous indignation of people posting literally a handful of complaints. I guess if zt made 1000 knives/yr then a few dozen complaints would be cause for alarm. How many knives do you think ZT makes a year? Considering they've made over 1000 knives just between the 2 0392 variants and the 0801s110v.
The posts concerning problems with brand new knives I quoted are only from this particular thread, and only from the last twelve hours. Bladeforums members only represent a fraction of people who purchase and own ZT knives. The people who posted in this particular thread over the last 12 hours only represent a fraction of Bladeforums members who have had issues with ZT knives. And as with any other brand, I'm not inclined to believe that dumb luck and flukes just happened to put all the faulty knives in the hands of a few complainers and no one else.
I got lucky and found my 0562cf on a tactical gear site and the detent on that was super tight. It just takes about a month, I used my work gloves at one point would just do 10 - 50 flips while I was pondering the world and found it therapeutic. My 0392BWBRZ was even tighter, and has taken twice as long to become usable without work gloves or pain in the joints. I don't know. My Benchmades open like butter in comparison. In my opinion, especially at these price points they should just work, no adjustments, gloves or multi-month breakins. It's a knife, not a car engine.
BF members represent a tiny tiny fraction of people who purchase KAI/ZT products and they are the most vocal, you do realize that don't you???
Glad to know that we can speak like adults here:thumbup: I can guarantee that you wouldn't be speaking in the same tone and mannerism if all of us were discussing this in person. It's funny how some people automatically put on the "internet tough-guy persona" from being butthurt because someone disagrees with you My life is great btw, thank you very much... I've traveled over 20 states, I'm planning on buying a new house soon, I'm getting a new car soon, I have 3+ customs being made for me at the moment, I'm a proud uncle, the right-hand man of a construction company, the list goes on... You really seem to have no life to make such an assumption towards people Perhaps you're so angry because you've been buying ZT's for too long:thumbup:
I'm 3 for 3 (0550, 0566, 0562) having great experiences using ZT framelocks. No lock issues of any kind. Cardboard, plastic, wood, etc. Hammer grip or even chopping with a two finger + fob grip. Not one issue. It is best to make "in my experience" statements, instead of broad "they do ___" statements. Mine don't have the problems you're describing.
Having a certain amount of problems in a small sample size is likely to correlate to a similar proportion of problems in the bigger picture. You're correct, BF members likely represent a tiny fraction of people who purchase KAI/ZT products. That should be cause for concern as it calls into question exactly how many more knives with problems are out there. You're also correct that BF members are probably the most vocal, which again is a cause for concern as that suggests that a lot of people who had issues with their knives don't talk about it. Yes, I have no concrete proof that this is the case (and nor does anyone else), but neither do you have proof that it isn't the case (and nor does anyone else). And again, I'm not inclined to believe that dumb luck and flukes just happened to put all the faulty knives in the hands of a few complainers on BF and no one else.
