Bad Nocturnal Knives Order

NocturnalKnives said:
Yes, it's pretty easy. I log onto my administrator dashboard and it tells me in big numbers at the top of the page how many people visited what pages and where they came from. It takes zero time, but nice try.
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Go to your PayPal, log in and hit the refund button, it takes zero time to issue refunds, nice try.

Your customers already exposed your PayPal excuse as a complete lie.

What happened to your PayPal, did the account get shut down???
 
And there he is. The true gene. Defending his poor practices. Seriously, log out, don't come back until it is ALL taken care of. That is what an honorable person would do. What do you have to gain in a losing argument here.
 
Pittknife said:
Go to your PayPal, log in and hit the refund button, it takes zero time to issue refunds, nice try.

Your customers already exposed your PayPal excuse as a complete lie.

What happened to your PayPal, did the account get shut down???
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You are absolutely incorrect, but there again you can make any claims you want. We also absolutely have a PayPal account. We have also absolutely stopped using it because of the nightmare it has been. It is much better for everyone (well, maybe not you) that every refund from here on out gets sent certified mail.
 
craytab said:
And there he is. The true gene. Defending his poor practices. Seriously, log out, don't come back until it is ALL taken care of. That is what an honorable person would do. What do you have to gain in a losing argument here.
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I am defending the fact that we are sending out refunds and knives. As far as any practice before that, I believe I've been pretty clear that they needed to be changed.
 
NocturnalKnives said:
You are absolutely incorrect, but there again you can make any claims you want. We also absolutely have a PayPal account. We have also absolutely stopped using it because of the nightmare it has been. It is much better for everyone (well, maybe not you) that every refund from here on out gets sent certified mail.
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If only you responded to customers as frequently as you post these lies you wouldn't be in this situation, at least my as bad.

Another thing, stop saying you broke promises like you are a 15 year old giving a promise ring to his sweetheart, you are supposedly an adult and business. You entered a business deal when you took their order and money, you did not deliver, that is called a breach of contract. When you lie in business it is called fraud.
 
Pittknife said:
If only you responded to customers as frequently as you post these lies you wouldn't be in this situation, at least my as bad.

Another thing, stop saying you broke promises like you are a 15 year old giving a promise ring to his sweetheart, you are supposedly an adult and business. You entered a business deal when you took their order and money, you did not deliver, that is called a breach of contract. When you lie in business it is called fraud.
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Please continue with you internet forum law. First you were an adoption lawyer, now you're a business lawyer.

Just to be clear, breach of contract, and fraud are two different things and we have done neither. Your reckless disregard for what is true or untrue is why I'm still here. You could stretch that we have breached a contract if you could prove that we will never deliver a product or have never delivered a product in the past. If you can't, won't, refuse, or have no excuse for being late to deliver a product that you promised you are in breach of contract and that is up to the customer to decide. Obviously some have decided not to find out and wanted a refund. There is a big difference between not delivering a product at all, and still working on a product. Fraud doesn't even enter into the conversation and speculating that is libelous if you want to get technical.

You couldn't even speculate that this situation is an anticipatory breach of contract. We have gone over a time frame that we quoted based on a bilateral contact with the customer. Going over the time frame with no good reason, or never being able to deliver the promised product would be cause for a breach of that bilateral contract. That is not the case here.

Promise is a legal term in business. It is actually included in breach of contract.
 
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NocturnalKnives said:
Please continue with you internet forum law. First you were an adoption lawyer, now you're a business lawyer.

Just to be clear, breach of contract, and fraud are two different things and we have done neither. Your reckless disregard for what is true or untrue is why I'm still here. You could stretch that we have breached a contract if you could prove that we will never deliver a product or have never delivered a product in the past. If you can't, won't, refuse, or have no excuse for being late to deliver a product that you promised you are in breach of contract and that is up to the customer to decide. Obviously some have decided not to find out and wanted a refund. There is a big difference between not delivering a product at all, and still working on a product. Fraud doesn't even enter into the conversation and speculating that is libelous if you want to get technical.

You couldn't even speculate that this situation is an anticipatory breach of contract. We have gone over a time frame that we quoted based on a bilateral contact with the customer. Going over the time frame with no good reason, or never being able to deliver the promised product would be cause for a breach of that bilateral contract. That is not the case here.

Promise is a legal term in business. It is actually included in breach of contract.
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Has time to argue about contract law, but doesn't have time to make whole those whom he has defrauded! Classic!
 
NocturnalKnives said:
I shipped out knives and refunds today. It's 2147 here and I don't know about yours, but my post office is now closed.
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Oh, that's it. These people have been waiting months and years because the post office is closed at this moment.

Nocturnal knives = giant wall of text filled with excuses, broken promises and lies. How are you even still in business?
 
NocturnalKnives said:
Please continue with you internet forum law. First you were an adoption lawyer, now you're a business lawyer.

Just to be clear, breach of contract, and fraud are two different things and we have done neither. Your reckless disregard for what is true or untrue is why I'm still here. You could stretch that we have breached a contract if you could prove that we will never deliver a product or have never delivered a product in the past. If you can't, won't, refuse, or have no excuse for being late to deliver a product that you promised you are in breach of contract and that is up to the customer to decide. Obviously some have decided not to find out and wanted a refund. There is a big difference between not delivering a product at all, and still working on a product. Fraud doesn't even enter into the conversation and speculating that is libelous if you want to get technical.

You couldn't even speculate that this situation is an anticipatory breach of contract. We have gone over a time frame that we quoted based on a bilateral contact with the customer. Going over the time frame with no good reason, or never being able to deliver the promised product would be cause for a breach of that bilateral contract. That is not the case here.

Promise is a legal term in business. It is actually included in breach of contract.
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I hope your better at making knives than you are at practicing law.
 
What, you don't have a nocturnal post office?

"When will you make it end?"
"When I'm finished."

(The Pope and the painter, in the Agony and the Ecstacy.)

Keep asking the same questions and you'll keep getting the same answers. But does anyone know if there is any real progress?
 
All this time wasted typing the same garbage over and over. Mike has your number, give up dude.. How bout some return e mails to the people STILL waiting. Post office open yet?
 
palonej said:
All this time wasted typing the same garbage over and over. Mike has your number, give up dude.. How bout some return e mails to the people STILL waiting. Post office open yet?
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I answer emails every day, I work on knives every day, and I will send refunds every day until everything is caught up. I can only ship things when the post office is open.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
What, you don't have a nocturnal post office?

"When will you make it end?"
"When I'm finished."

(The Pope and the painter, in the Agony and the Ecstacy.)

Keep asking the same questions and you'll keep getting the same answers. But does anyone know if there is any real progress?
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We are making progress, although you would never know that based on this thread. As I've said in previous posts, it has taken us awhile to get things going in the right direction, but we're doing it. This wasn't intentional and we have no desire to get over on anyone. We may not have a large presence here, but we have had a good reputation delivering many knives in the past and we would like to work back to that. This situation obviously got out of out control and we're fixing it.

I have every receipt and every name for every refund or knife that we've sent since before these two threads started. We brought all this upon ourselves, but we're also working through it. I have posted, and other users have posted, emails I've sent with as much personal information as I'm comfortable sharing for the folks that have received their refunds, more knives and refunds have gone out since then and we don't have many more refunds to go. We should have them all out within the next week.

I realize that none of that matters coming from me, but it's a fact. It will never be proven unless people post here, or I post pictures of postmarked receipts. I would post the receipts if it made any of my actual customers more comfortable with the situation.
 
SSN690 said:
Another day Gene and no contact. You have my phone number, email and also can contact me here and still no contacts. Ok either contact me or I contact the Police and make a Fraud over State Lines complaint. You have had enough time and this is sad I have to do this in the open but your at the end of your road. I want to be contacted and also either a refund or a knife in my hands. I have been patient long enough and as you can tell he still doesn't contact me.
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I just went back through this whole thread and saw that I missed John earlier in the thread. I apologize to John for the wait. As in the email I sent Max, I would just like John to know publicly that it was never our intention to make him, or anyone else go through these issues. Our intention was never to be over our wait time, and I apologize it was such a convoluted mess. Sincerely, we have never been in this for money, we are in it to make people happy, in turn, that makes up happy. I would hope that people can read all the positive things out there where we have proven that. We have failed in the last year to keep that going in a lot of respects. It got out of control, but we're going to go above and beyond for the folks that were affected by these issues. We will make that happen no matter what.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
What, you don't have a nocturnal post office?

"When will you make it end?"
"When I'm finished."

(The Pope and the painter, in the Agony and the Ecstacy.)

Keep asking the same questions and you'll keep getting the same answers. But does anyone know if there is any real progress?
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Thank you, Esav, for elevating this thread with Michelangelo and Pope Julius II reference!

Might we add, “Talent is cheap; dedication is expensive. It will cost you your life.” TAaTE

and "We believe there is more beauty in a harsh truth than in a pretty lie..." Lust for Life

The conduct of NK speaks for itself not only in spite of but also because of embellishment.

What were Jackie Gleason's final (filmic) words to Paul Newman? "I want my money!"
 
Leftytwogunz said:
Oh, that's it. These people have been waiting months and years because the post office is closed at this moment.

Nocturnal knives = giant wall of text filled with excuses, broken promises and lies. How are you even still in business?
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My point was that I can't ship anything else today, but tomorrow is a new day.
 
NocturnalKnives said:
Please continue with you internet forum law. First you were an adoption lawyer, now you're a business lawyer.

Just to be clear, breach of contract, and fraud are two different things and we have done neither. Your reckless disregard for what is true or untrue is why I'm still here. You could stretch that we have breached a contract if you could prove that we will never deliver a product or have never delivered a product in the past. If you can't, won't, refuse, or have no excuse for being late to deliver a product that you promised you are in breach of contract and that is up to the customer to decide. Obviously some have decided not to find out and wanted a refund. There is a big difference between not delivering a product at all, and still working on a product. Fraud doesn't even enter into the conversation and speculating that is libelous if you want to get technical.

You couldn't even speculate that this situation is an anticipatory breach of contract. We have gone over a time frame that we quoted based on a bilateral contact with the customer. Going over the time frame with no good reason, or never being able to deliver the promised product would be cause for a breach of that bilateral contract. That is not the case here.

Promise is a legal term in business. It is actually included in breach of contract.
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Do you understand what breach of contract is? You accepted payment from customers with good faith that you would deliver in the specific time frame. Not only did you exceed that time frame, which voids the contract btw, you exceeds pass any reasonable time frame. I would love to see you try me for liable, I would destroy any business you have left. I may not be an attorney but I have more than enough family members that are. What was your LSAT score???

How can you be working in knives everyday yet can't make a folder in over a year? From your own admission you don't work in knives everyday, were you working on knives everyday when you stated to a customer that you couldn't refund them because you spent every second of everyday filling out adoption forms? I know adoptions are tedious but I didn't know you had to write a thesis. I for one am glad you post, it means more people can read your utter bs and see you for the liar you are.
 
Here are two of the many problems with what you keep saying.

1 - People keep on popping up (2 so far this week) saying that you have not returned their e-mails and that you are not refunding their money. This despite the fact that you keep saying that everyone is being taken care of by you. Obviously, they are not.

2 - You keep claiming that you are working hard to issue refunds. 5 minutes! That is a GENEROUS estimate for how long it takes to issue a refund. There is NO EXCUSE for you not getting every single person refunded tomorrow... unless you don't want to or do not have the money.

Gene, quit spewing meaningless words and please refund your unfortunate customer's money. You created this mess. You need to fix it NOW.
 
NocturnalKnives said:
I just went back through this whole thread and saw that I missed John earlier in the thread. I apologize to John for the wait. As in the email I sent Max, I would just like John to know publicly that it was never our intention to make him, or anyone else go through these issues. Our intention was never to be over our wait time, and I apologize it was such a convoluted mess. Sincerely, we have never been in this for money, we are in it to make people happy, in turn, that makes up happy. I would hope that people can read all the positive things out there where we have proven that. We have failed in the last year to keep that going in a lot of respects. It got out of control, but we're going to go above and beyond for the folks that were affected by these issues. We will make that happen no matter what.
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Let me make sure I quote you to keep this eternal BS you just spewed: you started a company to make people happy, but to make money??? Yet you made people pay up front for knives, didn't communicate with them, send them their requested refunds until you get blasted, not make their knives and a whole lot of other BS, but that was all to make customers happy?

Did you just admit that you have no concept of business? I don't know anyone besides a charity or non-profit that isn't in business to make money, is this a joke or something?

I really thought that you are a charlatan, I'm starting to think maybe you are incompetent and not all there mentally now. Maybe you talk so much BS you actually belief yourself. Like how you blamed a customer for not delivering there knife because they wanted to pay for it in different invoices. A person that was only in it to make a customer happy would of just shipped them a free knife??? Which is it you complete utter liar.

* I also find it very strange that you can look up contract law yet can't figure out how to use the refund button.

And you already admitted you had to create a new PayPal account...
 
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