Quartermaster knife woes

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Screwdriver said:
I am not a lawyer, but it mentioned companies using unfair practices to gain market share. Wouldn't claiming 100% US Made, but using Chinese products so you can undercut the competition fall under Anti-Trust. As for filing a claim with the FTC, which would handle the "Made in US" issue, this is the closest link that they have on their page.
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Well I am and it has zero to do with anti-trust laws.

It also has noting to do with the FTC. https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/de...origin-marking-on-goods-imported-into-the-u.s.
 
shinyedges said:
You believe what there website says despite there lack of honesty and clarity. No one may have told you this so this may come as a surprise...

Not everything you read is true, people will lie its a fact. Your blind faith in qtrmstr is amusing, you have ZERO reason to believe what they say and several reasons to be suspicious of them and you choose blind faith... rather odd to me.

Anyway I see your set in your blind faith of quarter master so let's agree to disagree? But just so were clear

Screwdriver = believes everything qtrmstr puts out, thinks there a good honest company and has zero reason to doubt anything qtrmstr says based on blind faith of the company.

Shinyedges= Doesn't believe qtrmstr, thinks there's enough shadyness to question the company ethics. Questions to the company about said shadyness are met with hostility instead of honesty and willingness to get the truth out.
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I don't blindly believe Quartermaster, but I will give them the benefit of doubt. I am not going to thrash a company because of regurgitated info that has shown zero proof of anything. It is all conjecture, nothing more.

I would love to see proof. But none of you have shown that. So, show me undeniable proof and I will apologize to all here. Until then....
 
Screwdriver said:
It states on their website that they are Made in the US, it also says it on their knives.....How hard is that to understand?
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Not hard to understand the message. Credibility is another issue. Human experience, including specific experience with Jared, tells us that not all claims are both honest and accurate. People have been known to both lie and to be honestly inaccurate.


I do not assert that the knives are made in China. Unlike some, I do not claim to know.

You assert they are made in the U.S.

What evidence do we have, other than Jared's word, that the knives are made in the U.S.?
What evidence do we have that Quartermaster knives are made in a factory in Texas, beyond Jared's words?

What is Jared's reputation for veracity in the community (the evidentiary standard for admissibility as evidence in a court of law) ?

Everyone deserves a fair hearing.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Not hard to understand the message. Credibility is another issue. Human experience, including specific experience with Jared, tells us that not all claims are both honest and accurate. People have been known to both lie and to be honestly inaccurate.


I do not assert that the knives are made in China. Unlike some, I do not claim to know.

You assert they are made in the U.S.

What evidence do we have, other than Jared's word, that the knives are made in the U.S.?
What evidence do we have that Quartermaster knives are made in a factory in Texas, beyond Jared's words?

What is Jared's reputation for veracity in the community (the evidentiary standard for admissibility as evidence in a court of law) ?

Everyone deserves a fair hearing.
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I assume they are, since that is what they state. Should I assume that the so called "proof" listed here is more valid? Also, is Jered the owner, investor or designer? I would love to see their Articles of Incorporation.
 
I understand, you need a "smoking gun" to question them.

For me and others red flags have been thrown up by there actions, causing us to revoke the benefit of the doubt and question them.

You simply won't question there honesty until they get caught red handed. So by your logic until someone gets caught there not doing anything wrong lol

Here's a question for you...

Prove that there knives are made in the us.. don't quote there website as that info hasn't been verified by anyone but them.

They made a claim of 100% us made , the burden of proof is on them... NOT the potential customer.
Screwdriver said:
I don't blindly believe Quartermaster, but I will give them the benefit of doubt. I am not going to thrash a company because of regurgitated info that has shown zero proof of anything. It is all conjecture, nothing more.

I would love to see proof. But none of you have shown that. So, show me undeniable proof and I will apologize to all here. Until then....
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I was going to go to the facility to see the awesome knife museum but I am afraid the thermal imaging might pick me up as a unfriendly and the rocket lounchers might fire and pit bulls that when they bark bees flie out and sting you will attack me.so I turned around and visited golden Colorado spyderco facility a real one bought a knife and got a tour.
 
shinyedges said:
I understand, you need a "smoking gun" to question them.

For me and others red flags have been thrown up by there actions, causing us to revoke the benefit of the doubt and question them.

You simply won't question there honesty until they get caught red handed. So by your logic until someone gets caught there not doing anything wrong lol

Here's a question for you...

Prove that there knives are made in the us.. don't quote there website as that info hasn't been verified by anyone but them.

They made a claim of 100% us made , the burden of proof is on them... NOT the potential customer.
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The burden of proof is not on them...They have stated, and mark all knives as made in the US. If you don't believe them, that is on you to prove it.

Presumption Of Innocence

One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.
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That is what I like about the US legal system....Helps keep ignorant folks from burning witches....
 
Your wrong, but I'm out, you continue believing everything your read.
Screwdriver said:
The burden of proof is not on them...They have stated, and mark all knives as made in the US. If you don't believe them, that is on you to prove it.

Presumption Of Innocence

One of the most sacred principles in the American criminal justice system, holding that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the prosecution must prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, each essential element of the crime charged.

That is what I like about the US legal system....Helps keep ignorant folks from burning witches....
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endgamer said:
I was going to go to the facility to see the awesome knife museum but I am afraid the thermal imaging might pick me up as a unfriendly and the rocket lounchers might fire and pit bulls that when they bark bees flie out and sting you will attack me.so I turned around and visited golden Colorado spyderco facility a real one bought a knife and got a tour.
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I have been to the Spyderco outlet and they did not offer shop tours the last time I was there because of insurance liability. I am from Golden, CO and visit family at least once a year....and always visit the shop as my sister lives about 3 miles from there.
 
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In logic, law, and in practice, the burden of proof is on the party asserting a fact to be the case. Thus, anyone claiming something is true has the burden of proving the truth of the matter asserted,

For example, if one asserts that the knives are made in China and one is sued for defamation, the plaintiff asserting defamation has the burden of proving that the claims are false - i.e. proving that knives are not made in China.


"Quartermaster Knives" is a brand. There is no record of such an entity.

Jared claims on the Quartermaster website that the legal entity is "QTRMSTR Ordnance Mgf." "QTRMSTR Ordnance Mfg. was created in 2012 with a singular goal in mind: to become the world's favorite knife brand." (I can find no advertising for that brand. Maybe you can.)

"A close partnership with a leading USA steel manufacturer allows QTRM5TR access to the newest in powder metallurgy technology." Possibilities?

I also can find no record of such a legal entity.

The only legal entity I can find with the address listed by Jared is COPIOUSITY LLC., of which, as I noted, Jared was listed by the State of California as "principal" and "registered agent."

In my research I have not relied on anyone else's postings. I merely used the Internet.
 
JR88FAN said:
The QTRM5TR Equipment Factory is located in Central Texas, at the gateway to hill country. Our facility is state-of-the-art in every way, its been custom built from the ground up to accommodate nearly every process that a modern manufactory would/could use.

The 6-acre complex is under 24 hour surveillance using recently de-classified thermal imaging sensors. The 8,500 square foot facility is home to multiple design studios, think-tanks & a 3,000 sq ft shop floor. However, a medical-grade clean room and a 3 story-high knife museum with a biometric-scanner that allows/disallows access are likely to be considered the highlights of our facility.

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This is all the proof I need that something is just not right. Nobody writes weird $hit like that unless it's a weapons grade chemical plant.....

It proves nothing, but says so damn much about the kind of yahoo's we are talking about, that everything stays on the table.

One last thing.
Spyderco sells an infinite number of more knives then QM. To say that you see 'complaints about their CS to the same amount as QM just proves the point even further. (Spyderco has MUCH better CS then QM)
Think number of CS experiences compared to issues reported, and don't make me do the math for you, please...
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If you watch the video tour of the house at that address and compare it to the behind the scenes Instagram picture of their "knife museum" it is quite obvious that the museum is what was being used as a library in the house by the previous owners.

Thus, the "state of the art" facility and the house are one in the same.
 
Thomas Linton said:
In logic, law, and in practice, the burden of proof is on the party asserting a fact to be the case. Thus, anyone claiming something is true has the burden of proving the truth of the matter asserted,

For example, if one asserts that the knives are made in China and one is sued for defamation, the plaintiff asserting defamation has the burden of proving that the claims are false - i.e. proving that knives are not made in China.


"Quartermaster Knives" is a brand. There is no record of such an entity.

Jared claims on the Quartermaster website that the legal entity is "QTRMSTR Ordnance Mgf." "QTRMSTR Ordnance Mfg. was created in 2012 with a singular goal in mind: to become the world's favorite knife brand." (I can find no advertising for that brand. Maybe you can.)

"A close partnership with a leading USA steel manufacturer allows QTRM5TR access to the newest in powder metallurgy technology." Possibilities?

I also can find no record of such a legal entity.

The only legal entity I can find with the address listed by Jared is COPIOUSITY LLC., of which, as I noted, Jared was listed by the State of California as "principal" and "registered agent."

In my research I have not relied on anyone else's postings. I merely used the Internet.
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I was going to do a business search for companies doing business in TX. But each search cost money, and it is not worth it to me. I worked for an insurance agency that was a DBA for a parent company. The main company had about 30 DBA's under their main. The key to solving all this is finding what the main companies name is. Pretty sure the dealers selling their knives have this information as they would have to keep tax records and issue checks to Quatermaster. Plus for liability reasons they would have to have that info.

The thing about the Copiosity is that it might be something completely different. Not having that shipment sent to TX, in my mind kinda rules out the connection. It might be a side business, might be knives for Mantis(who is based near the delivery)... No one really knows. Also, TX is not a state to mess with and saying their knives are 100% made in the US in Texas, would be a shitstorm for them if not true. Don't mess with Texas. I had a friend that spent three years in a TX jail because his name was on a UPS shipping document for items deemed illegal in Texas, but not in the sending or receiving states. But since the plane traveled through Texas airspace, they were able to prosecute.
 
As tough as it may be for some of you, this discussion needs to be kept civil. There will be no insults direct or indirect. It's best to simply agree to disagree and walk away. If you cannot abide by that simple, common sense request, then maybe some warnings will be more convincing.
 
They state that the rapid exchange pivots in their new balisong are patented. patents are public are they not? Perhaps someone might find some more answers by searching out the patent.

*I personally have not invested the time because it is my opinion that the patent is also a farce.
 
A translation :

The 6-acre complex
(6 acre lot has more than one building)

is under 24 hour surveillance using recently de-classified thermal imaging sensors.
(we have a home security system and it has night vision)

The 8,500 square foot facility
(house is 8500 Sq feet)

is home to multiple design studios,
(kitchen table, living room table, dining room table)

think-tanks
(study, porch, home theater)

a 3,000 sq ft shop floor.
(it has a big garage)

However, a medical-grade clean room
(we don't let the cats into part of the house)

and a 3 story-high knife museum
(we took the books off the library shelves and put knives on them)

with a biometric-scanner that allows/disallows access
(we bought a fingerprint lock from Home Depot. It's way cool)

are likely to be considered the highlights of our facility.
 
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DrFish said:
A translation :

The 6-acre complex
(6 acre lot has more than one building)

is under 24 hour surveillance using recently de-classified thermal imaging sensors.
(we have a home security system and it has night vision)

The 8,500 square foot facility
(house is 8500 Sq feet)

is home to multiple design studios,
(kitchen table, living room table, dining room table)

think-tanks
(study, porch, home theater)

a 3,000 sq ft shop floor.
(it has a big garage)

However, a medical-grade clean room
(we don't let the cats into part of the house)

and a 3 story-high knife museum
(we took the books off the library shelves and put knives on them)

with a biometric-scanner that allows/disallows access
(we bought a fingerprint lock from Home Depot. It's way cool)

are likely to be considered the highlights of our facility.
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Best post of the day! Cheers!
 
Didn't Chris Reeve and Emerson start making knives out of their garages at home? I just do not see how an address that was listed at one time has anything to do with "proof". What proof does this house have to do with what you folks are making it out to be?

It's like....Here is an orange. This proves that my car was parked on 1st street at 2am on Tuesday.
 
I am not sure if it proves anything. But he said at the time that it was a purpose-built from the ground up high-tech factory to build knives.

It seems to be a single-family residence. Or maybe an orange. YMMV.
 
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