Quartermaster Knives....WTF

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KELAMA said:
But what I can't understand: if these knives are in fact made outside of the USA; why hasn't the FTC taken any type of action against QM knives?
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This is my point. This theory about the knives being made outside the US has been going on for years. Only proof being is folks with internet access.
 
Screwdriver said:
So you are saying that because I said that Spyderco would not allow me to see the factory on my visit, that I am really using that as difinitive proof that they do not make knives there? That just me saying that on the internet it proof?

Or was I just showing how rediculous these proof threads are?

Tada!
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^ There's a big difference between these 2 companies. Spyderco actually sells an economy line of knives, which are manufactured, in China. Spyderco, is candid about this fact; it's stamped on their blades!
 
Has this been beat to death enough yet? Not sure what new is being brought to the table here anymore after 7 pages; unless it is more insults from/to members here.
 
No! No! No!

Jared says the following: "The Texas Tea coating has a funny story behind it; it's since become a famed blade-coating that actually started off as an oversight. In recent years, a trend has ..."

So Google the famed" "Texas Tea coating." How many hits would you expect for a "famed" coating? 100,000? 10,000? 100? You will find exactly one - 1 - hit: the language quoted above where Jared is scamming about his "famed" coating. See, Jared can't help himself. His lips are moving.
 
Gastonknife said:
Has this been beat to death enough yet? Not sure what new is being brought to the table here anymore after 7 pages; unless it is more insults from/to members here.
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Some innocent may research Quartermaster. This is the world's primary knife site. That pilgrim deserves the truth, not denials from the Jared West Branch of the Flat Earth Society.

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Quartermaster fans - not just a river in Egypt :)
 
I got you. I agree with making people aware of something concerning, but I also know that it is not productive when things get beat to death and then members begin to argue/insult fellow members because of different perspectives. Nothing positive comes from it. Anyway, happy new year to all the knife nuts here.
 
Screwdriver said:
So you are saying that because I said that Spyderco would not allow me to see the factory on my visit, that I am really using that as definitive proof that they do not make knives there? That just me saying that on the internet it proof?

Or was I just showing how ridiculous these proof threads are?

Tada!
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If you know ANYTHING about knives, and are seriously going to bring in Spyderco as a straw man, you loose all credibility end of story. Just flat out, stop embarrassing yourself and tainting BF with that line of nonsense.
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KELAMA said:
^ I agree- a reputable company such as Spyderco, should never have been brought into this discussion! :thumbdn:

I do agree with most of the poster's here. But what I can't understand: if these knives are in fact made outside of the USA; why hasn't the FTC taken any type of action against QM knives?
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Because the FTC doesn't investigate small companies without numerous complaints. But I'm not sure if you are aware of this but the FTC and other organizations don't go after a company at the first sign of an issue. You have absolutely no idea if there is an ongoing investigation. Usually government agencies don't jump the gun and build a case before pouncing. Do you know how long the spyderfly had been produced before spyderco was fined and forced to stop production on a knife that wasn't even a switchblade yet was considered as such by customs? You act as if I filed a report with the FTC today that Quartermaster would have suffered the repercussions the following day. It doesn't work like that. And I'm sure that they have priorities and a small knife company importing Chinese products and claiming USA made isn't on the top of their priorities. Think about it this way, if you steal a bunch of crap from a store today and aren't arrested walking out the door it doesn't mean they aren't on to you and are simply waiting for you to screw up big.


Screwdriver said:
This is my point. This theory about the knives being made outside the US has been going on for years. Only proof being is folks with internet access.
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Do you seriously think that if you pretend something doesn't exist that it really didn't happen? You keep saying its just people on the internet yet you completely ignore the individual pieces of evidence these people have provided. Ignorance does not mean you are correct. It just means you would rather pretend things aren't happening.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Then why haven't they sued us for defamation? There, by your own logic proof that they are made overseas.
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Maybe they can tell the difference between internet banter....and someone writing an article or running an ad in a magazine saying they are lying and really making a false statement that would cause real damage.
 
As for the Spyderco example. I used them because it made my point. I visited them and asked to see the factory and was told no because of liability concerns. I then used the false assumption that because they would not let me see the factory, then my conclusion is they must not make knives there.

I am not actually saying they don't make knives there. But I am laughing my arse off that people really think I am suggesting that.
 
Screwdriver said:
Maybe they can tell the difference between internet banter....and someone writing an article or running an ad in a magazine saying they are lying and really making a false statement that would cause real damage.
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It's the same logic used in your FTC argument. If they aren't made overseas, a number of members have committed defamation. We even have damages as at least one retailer has stated they are dropping Quartermaster products as a result of the fact that they cannot be sure on country of origin. As I said, by your own logic the fact that no legal action has been taken by Quartermaster means they must be guilty.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
It's the same logic used in your FTC argument. If they aren't made overseas, a number of members have committed defamation. We even have damages as at least one retailer has stated they are dropping Quartermaster products as a result of the fact that they cannot be sure on country of origin. As I said, by your own logic the fact that no legal action has been taken by Quartermaster means they must be guilty.
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Neither is a valid argument. Until there is definitive proof from ether the FTC, or Quartermasters own admission, all of this is conjecture. The only reason I am taking the wait and see position is they state on their website that the knives are US made with US componants and no one has proven that they are not.

I do find it funny that these threads keep popping up. They make some freaking ugly knives and I keep expecting them to go under just on that fact alone.
 
Screwdriver said:
Neither is a valid argument. Until there is definitive proof from ether the FTC, or Quartermasters own admission, all of this is conjecture. The only reason I am taking the wait and see position is they state on their website that the knives are US made with US componants and no one has proven that they are not.

I do find it funny that these threads keep popping up. They make some freaking ugly knives and I keep expecting them to go under just on that fact alone.
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I don't think you know what conjecture means. We know that Jared West is the founder of Copiousity, LLC. We know that the brand Quartermaster is registered to Copiousity, LLC. We know that there are shipping manifests showing Copiousity, LLC received at least 800kg of knives/knife components from China. We know that the original address given for Quartermaster is, was and has been a single family residence since well before they were founded. We know they have ignored repeated requests for evidence of any factory or manufacturing facility in the US.

What you know, they made a claim on their website.

Your position is, indeed, conjecture, ours is an informed hypothesis supported by the available evidence. The two are rather different.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I don't think you know what conjecture means. We know that Jared West is the founder of Copiousity, LLC. We know that the brand Quartermaster is registered to Copiousity, LLC. We know that there are shipping manifests showing Copiousity, LLC received at least 800kg of knives/knife components from China. We know that the original address given for Quartermaster is, was and has been a single family residence since well before they were founded. We know they have ignored repeated requests for evidence of any factory or manufacturing facility in the US.

What you know, they made a claim on their website.

Your position is, indeed, conjecture, ours is an informed hypothesis supported by the available evidence. The two are rather different.
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I am in that thread where that "proof" was submitted....here we are two years later and it is still conjecture. My argument still holds water.....

You should go back and read what I said then......
 
Screwdriver said:
BTW, I went to Spyderco in Golden, CO and asked to see the factory. They said they could not because of liability. They must be hiding things from me, so my only conclusion is that they do not make knives in Golden.
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Yet you were able to show up at their front door. Something that can't be done with QM.
You must work for them hence you're defensive attitude......What a loser.
 
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