Reasons to join the ABS

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What Keith just said regarding money is really why so many smiths have joined, although I'm not really sure how true it is anymore... I'm sure it's true in some cases, but probably not in the majority.

I also think there are alternative resources for knowledge, and more than there were before,... without some of the nonsense and red tape of the ABS.
 
I'm sure the reason many knife makers have started making knives was out of curiosity and not for the money they thought they could make. Curious to see if they could make a knife either in a forge or stock removal or what ever. Every time a post about the ABS comes up there are people that will down grade it and those that will applaud the experience of it.
There are few places to learn about blade smithing, most of them are from blade smiths as I have learned. There are the hammer ins and schools as well, where blade smiths meet to share in their learned skill. The ABS provides a platform for this.
I think the main reason people join the ABS is to set goals for themselves. Work hard and make your blades, getting better in the process and achieve a bit of recognition among your peers. Is this so bad you that one can't deal with a little nonsense and red tape?
 
Another advantage for makers is that as you advance though the different levels of certification within the organization, they will be able to make a better living. Plain and simple, the makers can charge more for their knives and collectors will be willing to pay it. That doesn't mean that you can't gain the same level of respect within the collector community without being a part of the ABS, but the JS and MS stamps do seem to have a great deal of pull when it comes to collectors.

I find it interesting that this view is more often expressed by collectors than by makers. It may well be a byproduct of being a member but that does not make it any less valid.
 
Back when the ABS was first starting out there weren't as many bladesmiths, inside and outside of the ABS, that had 20-40 years of professional experience under their belts as there are now...

The whole ball of wax is a lot bigger/older and there are a lot more options for beginners now than there were before.

The credit for this type of growth really should go to the dedicated bladesmiths who have made it their life and been around that long, regardless of their standing with the ABS... Most of them aren’t rich, but they’ve generated millions and millions of dollars for the group as a whole.

Without naming names, I think most of us know who they are... :)
 
so you have a problem with the people and not the ABS? Come on now clear this up what exactly is the reason you have these issues?
 
Gee, I must have missed something in all these postings. I visited
Tai's website and what to my wondering eyes should appear but....

THE ABS LOGO!! WTF:eek:

I'm so confused. Will somebody please, please tell me where I
went awry.:)

I'm an ABS member, have been for several years, and have gotten great benefits in learning design, techniques and marketing. I have also made some wonderful friends and acquaintences. For me, it's been a very positive experience, and I would recommend it.

Bill
 
Gee, I must have missed something in all these postings. I visited
Tai's website and what to my wondering eyes should appear but....

THE ABS LOGO!! WTF:eek:

I'm so confused. Will somebody please, please tell me where I
went awry.:)

I'm an ABS member, have been for several years, and have gotten great benefits in learning design, techniques and marketing. I have also made some wonderful friends and acquaintences. For me, it's been a very positive experience, and I would recommend it.

Bill
I see Tai is a member of the ABS http://www.taigooknives.com/artist.shtml
I confuse easily too.
 
All I really know is I paid my dues for another year. The ABS is like many thing. Some good and some bad. I figure I can look past the pad and appreciate the good. Mostly a bunch of good people. If it ever gets to the point that I can't take the bad, I don't figure anyone will be able to stop me from taking my marbles and playing somewhere else.
Jim
 
I have been a member for about 4 years and as a collector have learned quite a bit by going to their functions.
I also credit the ABS for some of the good relationships I now enjoy with quite a few makers.
The custom knife community needs to attract new collectors and keep our existing collectors interested and involved. The ABS started conducting a collector seminar at the last Reno show and I have been ask to do another in San Antonio. I feel the ABS is moving in the right direction in addressing collector education.
 
Hello Friends,

Since this thread is about whether to join the ASB or not it seems natural that the "in" and "out" aspects of the question would dominate the discussion. That means members verses nonmembers quite likely would polarize the discussion. It also seems likely that the strongest voices from the two sides of the equation would draw more calories, so to speak, than those who are not so dominating in their expression.

Ultimately a conversation about a group will end up also being a conversation about individuals (the inherent constituents of any social collective or social intercourse). In order to decide whether or not to join an organization, not only do you need to know its purpose and methods, but also its membership. And as others have pointed out, knowing its members and their openness to share (in a manner similar to how members of this forum do) has been the most meaningful aspect of their membership, thus this exploration very much is about individuals too! Therefore the claim that this isn't about individuals, or isn't "about me", is rather inaccurate. It is nearly entirely about individuals and whether they are a part of ABS (an organization of individuals) or not, and their how-comes, why-nots and what-fors.

To me there are four basic "voices" in this thread:

  1. folks who are appreciative of ABS (seemingly majority of posters)
  2. folks who are antipathetic (seemingly one or two folks),
  3. folks who are ascertaining whether to join or not (the OP)
  4. folks who are indifferent
As individuals we can accept one another's weakness, foibles and limitations along with each others' strengths and good qualities. When it comes to collectives of individuals (organizations) it is often a bit more challenging to have this sort of mindfulness. Never-the-less the same dynamics do seem to hold sway.

I personally try to be accepting of critical perspectives. It is very much in the nature of our times and our society to be critical, even hypercritical. For me where the habitual behavior of criticism falls short is when it is condescending, hyberbolic and without any intention to move toward resolution or rectification.

It almost fascinates me (us?) how the negative can seem to so easily eclipse the positive. This thread is a case in point. The majority of posters shared numerous positive experiences and reasons they are part of the ABS. I, for one, appreciate their sharing, as I do everyone else's...while staying mindful of the larger context of APPRECIATION rather than denigration.

All the best to you all, Phil
 
Tell you the truth I'm not sure if I'm a member or not? I'm just as confused as you guys... I joined in 2004 as an associate, only paid my dues once, but was listed as a member through 2007, (or 2008?). I haven't checked lately. Anyway, I joined up and put that logo on my site, so folks would quit bugging me to join. I don't really know if I should leave that logo on or take it off... :D

I guess the ABS gave me my platform to preach from too! LOL

I think the ABS needs to start requiring it's members to take a series of comprehensive written examinations covering basic literacy,... the history of bladesmithing, art appreciation, art history, mathematics, physics, psychology, religion and metallurgy, etc... If you don’t pass them all with a grade of “B” or better, you don’t get your JS or MS stamp… :)

Everything else being equal, the smarter and more well rounded the bladesmith the better...

Give them something to do during their waiting period...
 
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Does the ABS even have a basic literacy requirement,... high school diploma?

About me?

I hold a masters degree from a state university, area a specialization "Metalsmithing", masters thesis in "Bladesmithing",... plus 30 years of professional experience in the field of bladesmithing, which gives me the equivalent of a double or triple PHD in bladesmithing. LOL :D
 
No axually it twas of University of Arizona,... I think?... LOL

Done did my undergrdiate work at the U of A... oops I meant A.S.U. for Arizona State Univercity...

I had to attend both inperson.

I don't beleeve the University of Phoenix is a "state" university. "Phoenix" is a city. :)
 
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