Shame on you Jim Adams

[Delwin]

Nothing in that post indicated that he made the knife.

edit: (HandofCod, the below is a general address, just so you know that I'm not directing my rant at you)

First, knowingly asking someone to copy someone elses design without informing them of such is just not right at all. Second, as a small business owner on a budget myself, I sure as hell would be ticked if I threw a couple hundred bucks down the hole on a job that I ended up having to refund. Sure, at some point in the unspecified future he might be able to recoup some of that cost on another job, but would any of you like to loan him the money he could have had, until then?

In my business, $200 can easily be turned into $1000, so don't downplay the importance of the materials Mr. Adams had to purchase essentially for nothing, due to being mislead by a customer. I'm not sure if the customer mislead with malice, but he definitely mislead.


Trying to make it as a sole proprietor in this economy is ROUGH.

I run a manufacturing business in another industry, and I can say right now that everyone expects you to deliver the world, even if you only have a small country at your fingertips.

That said, I try to be as good as I can with communication. I did have an episode several months ago where I ALMOST DIED in the hospital, and do you think my customers gave a flying crap? They were inconvenienced a whole week or two, what importance is my life vs. them getting their product a week sooner?

I did my best to explain my situation, and was still torn to shreds for it... and that's after a FLAWLESS record spanning over years, besides a group of dunderheads that decided to call me a scammer, a liar and a fraud because UPS lost a package, and I sent a new package and had the product delivered within three days of the date the lost package was supposed to be delivered.



I'm not saying that Mr. Adams handled this right, but the fact that people rip on him for finally offering not only a full refund, but a full refund with interest, makes me want to spit. It doesn't erase his past actions, but it sure as hell is a start.

Do you know he even shipped out the final product??
And i also never ask for the interest. It is his guilty concious that make him offer the interest.

 

[HandofCod]

Nothing in that post indicated that he made the knife.

edit: (HandofCod, the below is a general address, just so you know that I'm not directing my rant at you)

snip!

I'm not saying that Mr. Adams handled this right, but the fact that people rip on him for finally offering not only a full refund, but a full refund with interest, makes me want to spit. It doesn't erase his past actions, but it sure as hell is a start.

I think you need to read this thread from the start again.

 

[Delwin]

Luke, God gave me my gift. I will honor that gift by making knives. If I never sell another knife so be it, that is in God's hands anyway. Facts I will make knives as long as I can workin the shop. Guess I have to go get a job flipping burgers at a McDonald's, but I will still be making knives.

It will be good if you go flipping burgers, this job suit you well.

 

[Delwin]

Jim Adams Custom Knives Jim Adams to me
show details Jan 11

Delwin
There is no active tracking number, no insurance available, Plus I have never lost a knife in the mail. Please don’t worry about it. I have shipped hundreds of knives overseas. Give it two to three weeks

Thank you
Jim



Jim Adams Custom Knives
JimAdamsKnives.com
Jim@JimAdamsKnives.com
1648 Camille Way.
Cordova, TN 38016

 

[Delwin]

Mr Jim Adam,
Can you please tell me how are you going to return my money and when. Please dont tell me its on the way. please give me a date.
Also from now on, please dont email me. Lets do it in here openly.

 

[iandh]

Do you know he even shipped out the final product??
And i also never ask for the interest. It is his guilty concious that make him offer the interest.

Of course it's a guilty conscience... offering more than a full refund is an automatic admission of guilt. That doesn't make it an inappropriate gesture.

I think you need to read this thread from the start again.

I read the thread from start to finish before typing a response. Once is just fine for me, thanks.

Rather funny that you post that, considering the response of yours that I quoted. Maybe you should have read that post from the start again before replying to it.



Since the part of my response that you left in your quote obviously wasn't clear enough, I'll retype it.

Mr. Adams screwed up. He now is offering a full refund plus some. As long as he comes through with his offer, that is a good start, and is his ONLY action in this thread so far that should not be getting ripped on... yet still is.

 

[Delwin]

Of course it's a guilty conscience... offering more than a full refund is an automatic admission of guilt. That doesn't make it an inappropriate gesture.




I read the thread from start to finish before typing a response. Once is just fine for me, thanks.

Rather funny that you post that, considering the response of yours that I quoted. Maybe you should have read that post from the start again before replying to it.



Since the part of my response that you left in your quote obviously wasn't clear enough, I'll retype it.

Mr. Adams screwed up. He now is offering a full refund plus some. As long as he comes through with his offer, that is a good start, and is his ONLY action in this thread so far that should not be getting ripped on... yet still is.

Only when i get hold of the money in my hand then i will belived him. So far he only talk, no action.

 

[HandofCod]

Nothing in that post indicated that he made the knife.

I read the thread from start to finish before typing a response.

Rather funny that you post that, considering the response of yours that I quoted.

I had ordered a folder from Jim Adam on 11/3/2010.
I made full payment of USD$400 to him on 15/11/2010.
After transfering the money, it is becoming very hard to get him on the mail.
After i keep on tracking him on the forum to tell him that he got mails,
then i was told that my blade was shipped out on 6/1/2011 without any picture of the item and tracking number.
I had been waiting for more then a month, the item did not delivered to me. He then told me the item was lost in mail and promised to return me the money. I told him to transfer the money to another blade maker thus paypal and he agreed. And he disappear again. I want to see how he is going to explain abt this issue.

I'm not sure I can be any clearer that this.

 

[concreteadaptation]

Of course it's a guilty conscience... offering more than a full refund is an automatic admission of guilt. That doesn't make it an inappropriate gesture.




I read the thread from start to finish before typing a response. Once is just fine for me, thanks.

Rather funny that you post that, considering the response of yours that I quoted. Maybe you should have read that post from the start again before replying to it.



Since the part of my response that you left in your quote obviously wasn't clear enough, I'll retype it.

Mr. Adams screwed up. He now is offering a full refund plus some. As long as he comes through with his offer, that is a good start, and is his ONLY action in this thread so far that should not be getting ripped on... yet still is.

have you been following this thread from whence it came ?? if your just reading it now your missing all the edited / deleted posts . if you have been following i apologize but if not .... just sayin.

 

[Delwin]

Mr HandofCod, yes you got the picture.

 

[iandh]

Only when i get hold of the money in my hand then i will belived him. So far he only talk, no action.

I don't blame you.

All I'm saying, is that the gesture to refund in full plus some, should not be criticized in any way. It is both an admission of guilt, and a form of apology.

Whether that admission of guilt and apology are worth anything remains to be seen.

I'm not sure I can be any clearer that this.

I was commenting specifically on your interpretation of that single post of Mr. Adams', not the entire thread or other posts made by him.

That was your first response to the entire thread, and based upon your response, I naturally assumed that you had not read the rest of the thread, just that post.

Being so, I found it mind-boggling that you could have assumed that the knife had been made, based upon that quoted post alone.


That said, when the rest of the thread is take into account, with what information we have, it's pretty obvious that the knife was not in fact made and the information that it had shipped was in fact a lie designed to placate the customer.



edit:

have you been following this thread from whence it came ?? if your just reading it now your missing all the edited / deleted posts . if you have been following i apologize but if not .... just sayin.

I saw this thread right after it was first posted and got the first couple pages, then haven't seen it since. Today when I saw the thread again on the recent posts list, I went through and re-read the entire thread.

I don't mean this to be sarcastic, so please don't take it that way being that I'm butting heads with HandofCod, but could you please elaborate on the nature of the editing? I'm curious.

 

[Jim Adams Customs]

Did you buy the materials after the supplier said he or she had said the design was from another knife maker, and then continue to make said knife?

As soon as I received Delwin's Money. I purchased all the materials I would need for the Job. one 1/8 x 8 x12 sheet of titanium and one .60 x 8 x 12 of titanium, one piece of Damascus, one set of Ironwood scales, one ivory Button and the misc. parts. Two weeks later when My parts guy had my materials that is when he informed me that the drawing I had sent him was Michael Burch's knife. At that point he sent the materials back to me billed me for shipping.

At that point I was furious, I had a month on this project only to find out it was a Fellow knifemaker's design and Delwin had lied to me about the origin of the knife and it original maker.

Remember if Delwin hadn't lied to me. There would be no GBU thread.

 

[Jim Adams Customs]

It will be good if you go flipping burgers, this job suit you well.

Mr Delwin I was wrong to keep your money, I am sorry for that.

I am also sorry I lied to you about the shipping.

I added the interest not because I felt guilty, I did it because it was the right thing to do.

Your payment is on it way. That Gentleman is all I can do.


At this point, there is nothing else to be said.
Good Night Gentleman

 

[HandofCod]

Mr Delwin I was wrong to keep your money, I am sorry for that. I am also sorry I lied to you about the shipping. I added the interest not because I felt guilty, I did it because it was the right thing to do. I sent your payment and I ask God for his forgiveness. That is all I can do.

At this point, there is nothing else to be said.
Good Night Gentleman

Very well said Mr Adams.

EDIT: Actually since you've edited your original post (compare the above with the current version) I take my above statement back.

 

[EMT_Lee]

Mr Delwin I was wrong to keep your money, I am sorry for that.

I am also sorry I lied to you about the shipping.

I added the interest not because I felt guilty, I did it because it was the right thing to do.

Your payment is on it way. That Gentleman is all I can do.


At this point, there is nothing else to be said.
Good Night Gentleman

Apologies aside, you're a pretty crooked guy. You admit to stealing, lying, and passing blame. Other threads show you ship off shoddy knives, and then refuse to take credit (blame?) for them once the complaints start rolling in. I don't feel sorry for you, and I don't buy your "craftsman" line, either. We've seen the level of "art" you ship to customers.

 

[Chief Engineer]

Do you know he even shipped out the final product??
And i also never ask for the interest. It is his guilty concious that make him offer the interest.

So, do you feel any guilt for trying to pull a fast one on him? You knew exactly what you were doing, and have yet to admit it.

 

[Cougar Allen]

I'm quoting a couple of posts before he does any more editing....

No, I never made the knife. But being human, I was pissed that Delwin would try to take advantage of me, by lying to me. I was going to make him pay. That I did. But I refunded all of his Money plus interest for the time I Kept his money.

No as soon as I found out his Knife he wanted was Michael Burch's, I stopped working on the knife.

What would you all do if you ordered $250.00 worth of materials and found the customer lied to you about the origin of the design? Would you send that customer a refund with interest?

Mr Delwin I was wrong to keep your money, I am sorry for that.

I am also sorry I lied to you about the shipping.

I added the interest not because I felt guilty, I did it because it was the right thing to do.

Your payment is on it way. That Gentleman is all I can do.


At this point, there is nothing else to be said.
Good Night Gentleman

 

[Cougar Allen]

I don't mean this to be sarcastic, so please don't take it that way being that I'm butting heads with HandofCod, but could you please elaborate on the nature of the editing? I'm curious.

It's very hard to follow. He edits many posts multiple times. A post gets changed, deleted, restored to the way it was originally, changed again to something else -- often all in just a few minutes. I'm sure none of us have seen all versions of all Adams' posts. I know I haven't, and I keep up with this forum more than most people.

 

[JTR357]

Apologies aside, you're a pretty crooked guy. You admit to stealing, lying, and passing blame. Other threads show you ship off shoddy knives, and then refuse to take credit (blame?) for them once the complaints start rolling in. I don't feel sorry for you, and I don't buy your "craftsman" line, either. We've seen the level of "art" you ship to customers.

I concur with Lee

The constant editing doesn't help either.Make a statement & stick with it.

 

[Cougar Allen]

So, do you feel any guilt for trying to pull a fast one on him? You knew exactly what you were doing, and have yet to admit it.

I'm finding that concept a little hard to follow. As far as I can figure out, Delwin commissioned a custom knife from Adams, giving him a description, dimensions, telling him what materials to use, maybe giving him a drawing? Adams agreed to make the knife, accepted payment in advance ... then he discovered another knifemaker makes a knife like the one Delwin had commissioned? Are we all agreed those are the facts of what happened?

Then Adams responded to that discovery with outrage. He felt Delwin had abused his trust so badly it was appropriate to steal Delwin's money. Or maybe his idea all the time was to "borrow" Delwin's money without his consent, but it was only "borrowing" because he always intended to pay it back sometime, when he got dragged into court or TGB&U....

Is this design so unique that it belongs to the other knifemaker and it would be an abomination for any other maker to make something similar? Is it something innovative like Rob Simonich's Parasite or Sal Glesser's Spyderhole? Nothing has been posted about that, unless it was posted and edited out before I could see it....