Strider Knives, Game Over!

[teacher]

All Businesses and company's are fictitious entities for financial purposes. They are organizational fronts for individuals or groups.

Business's have no Moral values or ethics. They will do what they CAN do to make money, their purpose is singular. Make money for the owners.

They are bound by law and little else. Sometimes not even law, if there is no enforcement body interested in their activities.

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That sounds kinda good at first read......

BUT ...............

........that is about the biggest load of crap I have ever heard........ ............bar none ! !

What any business " does"... is / or should be governed by the owners.

What the business "does" and / or the direction it takes should be a reflection of the owners true character.

True character, IMO ....is not governed by "law" or anything else really.

True character is reflected by what a person does when no one is watching......

....... whoever they are and whatever their endeavor........ business or otherwise.

Just my ,02 as a business owner,
chuck

 

[RWS]

All Businesses and company's are fictitious entities for financial purposes. They are organizational fronts for individuals or groups.

Business's have no Moral values or ethics. They will do what they CAN do to make money, their purpose is singular. Make money for the owners.

They are bound by law and little else. Sometimes not even law, if there is no enforcement body interested in their activities.

You're just embarrassing yourself and you don't even realize it. Trust me, I know.....I do it quite often myself. :thumbup:

I'm not kidding. This lame remark is almost right up there with bigmark's alpha male pretzel logic comments.....not quite, but almost....and I'm not sure how much more of this I can take.

Look, I know you're trying to help and defend your friends at Strider which is good.....I think that's important to do that and I hope you continue to.....but, you gotta stop saying such stoopid stuff if you're going to have any credibility.

At this point, I'm just not sure how to take anything you say anymore. You come off as so desperate in your effort here , you'll say just about anything.

Is this really going to continue to be your approach with this thread?

 

[Justabuyer]

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That sounds kinda good at first read......

BUT ...............

........that is about the biggest load of crap I have ever heard........ ............bar none ! !

What any business " does"... is / or should be governed by the owners.

What the business "does" and / or the direction it takes should be a reflection of the owners true character.

True character, IMO ....is not governed by "law" or anything else really.

True character is reflected by what a person does when no one is watching......

....... whoever they are and whatever their endeavor........ business or otherwise.

Just my ,02 as a business owner,
chuck

My statement was not totally focused on the Strider issue. If a business is for instance a Public Company owned by thousands of people all over the world with different ideas about whats right and wrong, what standard should it use extactly to govern its actions? What is its purpose?

 

[bandaidman]

to repeat the core questions

is duane dwyer the same person as thomas poland?

was duane dwyer of strider knives a marine sniper with a service record that includes all the claims mentioned in the tactical knives article of may 1999 (pages 34-39)? of note, the author of the article specifically mentions interviewing duane in the same paragraph as the claims, so that should limit confusion regarding the source of the information.


if you do choose to answer y/n, to help avoid further confusion, please post the source of your information.

posting stuff like "verified by higher authorities" or "they are friends with real special forces guys" is less helpful

 

[Justabuyer]

You're just embarrassing yourself and you don't even realize it. Trust me, I know.....I do it quite often myself. :thumbup:

I'm not kidding. This lame remark is almost right up there with bigmark's alpha male pretzel logic comments.....not quite, but almost....and I'm not sure how much more of this I can take.

Look, I know you're trying to help and defend your friends at Strider which is good.....I think that's important to do that and I hope you continue to.....but, you gotta stop saying such stoopid stuff if you're going to have any credibility.

At this point, I'm just not sure how take anything you say anymore. You come off as so desperate in your effort here , you'll say just about anything.

Is this really going to continue to be your approach with this thread?

Why is it lame? What part of it is actually wrong? This is not a approach to a thread..... its just a correction of the absurd notion that businesses have minds of their own complete with feelings and complex motivations like you seem to think. They exist to make money for the owners Period. I bet you think they pay taxes too?

But your pronouncement that I am stupid, lame, and lacked credibility really hit home, I had a sudden urge to run away with wet pants.

 

[Bastid]

Pretty silly. It's purpose is to make a profit.

How it does that (with or without integrity) is key as far as my participation in any way.

No morals and no ethics. (Maybe for you, but not for everyone and all business so put your paint brush away, what you posted was crap, but that has been evident of your posts in this thread from your first one.)

 

[teacher]

My statement was not totally focused on the Strider issue. If a business is for instance a Public Company owned by thousands of people all over the world with different ideas about whats right and wrong, what standard should it use extactly to govern its actions? What is its purpose?

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No problem, my statemente were not based on the Strider issue at all.

They were in response to the implications in your post that the only reason to be in business was the almighty dollar $$$$.

And that all businesses would do whatever it took to increase the bottom line.

That is indeed a load of crap..... :thumbup: ..... I know some do... ALL, however .. do not.

I cannot really address the issue of the question you ask about the Public Company owned by thousands all over the world.............. that is outside my sphere.........

However......... it could be run by the same standard I use to run mine......

"Treat others as I would wish to be treated myself...... .. "

End of story.

 

[Justabuyer]

Pretty silly. It's purpose is to make a profit.

How it does that (with or without integrity) is key as far as my participation in any way.

No morals and no ethics. (Maybe for you, but not for everyone and all business so put your paint brush away, what you posted was crap.)

Look you make it seem like I am suggesting Businesses All use child labor or Sell Cold Steel products.... That could not be further from the truth.

I am saying they are not "people and have no self determination" that they exist only to make money, and that they are bound only by law and profit motive.

Now the people/owners of any business may act according to a higher standard and probably should.

 

[Justabuyer]

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However......... it could be run by the same standard I use to run mine......

"Treat others as I would wish to be treated myself...... .. "

End of story.

Ahh so we are in agreement... You run the business yourself... It does not act on its own according to a complex code of behavior... You do.

See we just needed to talk it out.

 

[Cougar Allen]

I see a lot of people who are not Duane saying "it coulda, he coulda, they coulda" (as well as less relevant remarks) but it's always what the principal chooses to say that counts, or chooses not to say. People who are not Duane can talk about couldas until pigs learn to fly....

 

[hardheart]

a business is for instance a Public Company owned by thousands of people all over the world with different ideas about whats right and wrong, what standard should it use extactly to govern its actions? What is its purpose?

mission statement, code of ethics, bylaws

I bet you think they pay taxes too?

corporate tax, yes

 

[RWS]

Why is it lame? What part of it is actually wrong? This is not a approach to a thread..... its just a correction of the absurd notion that businesses have minds of their own complete with feelings and complex motivations like you seem to think. They exist to make money for the owners Period. I bet you think they pay taxes too?

But your pronouncement that I am stupid, lame, and lacked credibility really hit home, I had a sudden urge to run away with wet pants.

I wouldn't expect you to run away. I hope you don't......I'm sure you're one of those Strider super tough guys we're all suppose to fear. I guess it's suppose to be my turn to run away and piss my pants now....just let me know when :thumbup:

As far as your statement is concerned, everything about it is wrong. I'm not going to take up a thread's time here to discuss business strategic planning, business ethics or even corporate taxation and how you've purposely chosen to take the abstract meaning of the term "business" and turn it in to some "fictitious" thing devoid of human involvement and control, which, btw, is your attempt to show everyone what?...That the intangible existence of Strider Company in the abstract is unaffected by all this controversy and possible unethical behavior due to the undying warrior loyalty of Strider's committed customer base. And this is all toward what may turn out to be in support of a couple of falsely self-proclaimed war "heroes"?

Now, I'm done fencing with you. I'm truly not interested in your "I gotta protect my hero buddy's image at all costs" approach to this potentially very serious matter if it turns out to be true.

I'm really hopeful and more interested in if Duane's name can be cleared here from turning out to be as big a liar as Micky Berger appeared to be.

I hope this is all an error in identification. I really do.


EDITED TO ADD:

BTW, other than Sub-S corps and LLCs, most corporations do have to pay taxes if profitable as do the owners upon most distributions(other than a return of capital) and any liquidation profits upon dissolution.

 

[teacher]

Ahh so we are in agreement... You run the business yourself... It does not act on its own according to a complex code of behavior... You do.

See we just needed to talk it out.

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Nope, not much agreement at all.

And I have a partner.... so "we" run it.

You seem to speak of a business as if it is alive and can make it's own decisions & policy apart from human intervention... I find it....... hmmmmmm....

I'll just say I find it ....... "remarkable" ..... that you seem to indicate this is what you think.

A business does not act on it's own according to a "complex code of behavior" it has created for itself.

Someone or some group is in charge, someone or some group sets policy for said business.

Sooooooo, the business will go pretty much in line with the character of those that set the policy.

And no, I don't operate on a "complex code of behavior" either. Mine was only one short sentence long........ not very "complex" at all....... IMO

No more splitting hairs or semantical games from me. This is my story and I am sticking to it..........

Have a good one.........

 

[Bastid]

Look you make it seem like I am suggesting Businesses All use child labor or Sell Cold Steel products.... That could not be further from the truth.

I am saying they are not "people and have no self determination" that they exist only to make money, and that they are bound only by law and profit motive.

Now the people/owners of any business may act according to a higher standard and probably should.

Maybe your business, but not any I would associate with or invest with.
There is such a thing as business ethics. It is taught in business school and most investors will shy away from a business that does not practice sound ethics. I know after reading your posts you feel otherwise, but your feelings are not in line with business or sound application of business ethics.

I have no idea if any of this is applicable to the thread though. When it comes to my knife collecting I shy away from controversy and ego for the most part.

 

[Justabuyer]

mission statement, code of ethics, bylaws



corporate tax, yes

Mission statement, code of ethics, Bylaws. Are any of those binding?


Corporations do not pay tax. Those costs are passed directly to comsumers in higher prices and Employees in lower wages. :thumbup:

But lets get back to making ourselves look better by pointing out the faults of others thread topic. As a group we are more comfortable there.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I have no idea if any of this is applicable to the thread though. When it comes to my knife collecting I shy away from controversy and ego for the most part.

Of course it's not applicable to the original topic of this thread. It has nothing to do with whether Duane lied about his military service. It is only meant to take the thread in a different direction, to obfuscate.

Telling people that they shouldn't care whether Duane lied, because all companies lie, is a non sequitur.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

All Businesses and company's are fictitious entities for financial purposes. They are organizational fronts for individuals or groups.

Business's have no Moral values or ethics. They will do what they CAN do to make money, their purpose is singular. Make money for the owners.

They are bound by law and little else. Sometimes not even law, if there is no enforcement body interested in their activities.

ficticious = fake, not real, imaginary. correct?


you are talking in circles.


i assume what you are suggesting is that because strider knives, inc. (or whatever the name of the company is), as a corporation or company is not something you can physically touch, it does not exist. the owners, employees, equipment, and buildings are actual things. they are collectively given a name, strider knives.

a corporation is real, as are ideas, thoughts, etc.

if strider knives only existed in comic books, then it would be ficticious.

 

[wolfmann601]

LEAVE DUANE ALONE!!!!

I had no choice. Wolfmann made me do it.

Thanks for the laugh, this thread needs some "fun" humor!!!

Happy New Year my friend!!!

 

[wolfmann601]

Someone here has as their signature line:

"Integrity is doing the right thing when no one is looking"

I could not agree more.........................

 

[RWS]

Of course it's not applicable to the original topic of this thread. It has nothing to do with whether Duane lied about his military service. It is only meant to take the thread in a different direction, to obfuscate.

Telling people that they shouldn't care whether Duane lied, because all companies lie, is a non sequitur.

What I have also noticed here in this thread (my interpretation of it anyway), and from the "Mick the Ranger" thread, is the attempt by the Strider clan to come here and minimize the magnitude of this type of unethical behavior and to try and make folks believe that the unethical behavior of the Strider company's owners is really no big deal and therefore is inconsequential to the Strider Knives business.

Apparently, they believe Strider knives is shielded from any negative repercussions for this type of deliberate act of deception.

Ironically, if true, most of this deception may turn out to have been perpetrated against the very same people that are over here defending them(i.e., Strider's loyal customers).