Strider Knives, Game Over!

[barcbsa]

What bothers me is I own dozens of Strider knives and I am a paying customer here. This kind of post de-values my assets and nobody but Strider knife owners are punished.

Why is this tolerated? What have I done to Spark and bubba to deserve this kind of treatment? :grumpy: Not kidding either. My Strider customs either wont sell at all or go for hundreds less that before all this. Me and people like me are the only losers here. WHY IS THIS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE?

How about locking this stupid thread please? Next time one of you decides to save the world please make sure its on your nickle not mine. PLEASE!!

:grumpy::barf:

This is a classic... Don't say anything bad about the lying knifemaker that made the knives I invested in because then they won't fetch as much money when I sell them

 

[Parker]

Justabuyer, supposing that this had been about a government contractor who's credibility was called into question. Buying stock in that contractor may have been a solid decision up until that point, but it makes no sense to insist that the market will continue to pay more and more for product which has issues surrounding the credibility of the product.

Considering the discussion in question, and HOW these knives got to be so desireable, if these questions are raised they need to be discussed and openly at that. In the event that these accusations turn out to be false, Mick Strider and Dwayne Dwyer will recover (my apologies to Dwayne if I have spelled his name incorrectly) and may have grounds for legal (financial) recourse against their detractors.

Assets are just that, assets. Assets do not lose their value except in the case of cash when measured against inflation. I believe you have confused assets with investments - buying a knife as an investment is a risky business plan, my friend. IN the event that the maker or that knife turns out to be unsavory towards a large portion of the knife-buying communuity, your investment may well de-value.

If you bought a knife as an actual asset, this will have intrinsic value regardless. A knife as an asset will more likely be that knife you use and get dirty, versus one you place in the safe after getting happy over it with your friends on the net.

If you buy it as an investment, which means you believe it will always maintain a comparable value or even hopefully increase in value, then you must also be smart enough to realize that an investment may lose value for one reason - the market no longer finds the knife as desireable as it was. It makes no difference as to cause for market spurning the knife.

I understand your frustration - I have at this point several Strider knives myself, including a pair of SnG's which are using blades and will never be more, and an SA-L, brand new, which I bought on a lark. I agree that if I want to sell that knife currently, I will need to sell it at a loss, but I understand that going in with what is a production knife already. There is no guarantee custom knives will maintain value - look at the Customs For Sale forum here and you will see that finely crafted custom knives devalue all the time, becuase the market is no longer interested in them as a work of art, but instead turns them into a commodity.

In the case of Strider Knives, currently the cache seems to have been stripped away from them, the "Hard To The Core" mantra has worn thin for many and the Strider fan-boys and Striderettes who have maintained brand-loyalty under the current conversations understand that a weak market is the best one in which to pick up a bargain. As a result, even the Strider Customs are now being converted to a commodity. Couple this with it being the Holi-Daze and there is a glut of custom and production knives for sale currently.

I've got a Perrin custom for sale and I realize IF I can find a buyer for it, I will lose money on it - it's the price we pay for a bad habit. Deal with it and move forward.

 

[Justabuyer]

This is a classic... Don't say anything bad about the lying knifemaker that made the knives I invested in because then they won't fetch as much money when I sell them

The point has already been made and made and made and made.

My point which people refuse to address directly and instead call me stupid in thinnly veiled Cliff Stamp speak ( by that I mean not directly addressing the point) Here is the thing STRIDER KNIVES are not suffering from these posts.

Thats a fact.

Just people on this forum and others that have purchased the company knives and want them to retain value on the secondary market are being impacted. That is also a fact.

So the bad guys are I suppose the Strider owners. The people currently punished by these threads.

Strider Knife owners
Strider employees

Just use a different tactic. One designed to hurt the people your actually mad at.

 

[MikeC]

WHO CARES, JUSTABUYER PLEASE DO US ALL A FAVOR TAKE ECON 101 AND 102 MACRO AND MICRO, if your counting on your knife collection as an investment for anything othern than mad money are not just for fun you are beyond help.

After reading only the first and last page of this thread I am now without a doubt several points lower on the iq scale and weep for the future of this country.

 

[thombrogan]

Mr. Justabuyer,

It appears you bought Strider knives as an investment vehicle and a large part of their value was due to a reputation which currently appears to be false or unverifiable. Did you verify the source of your knives' investment value before your purchase? Is your anger towards those who appear to have done their research justified?

MikeC types faster than me and I'm not weeping.

 

[STR]

Justabuyer your knives will sell if you join the forum where they move better and get a membership where you can list them for sale. Blaming anyone here because of the open discussion policy Spark allows here, unlike other forums that censor out much of what is thought but not allowed to be discussed because it goes against the party line is a fruitless effort.

Also, trying to say that the orignal poster or that anyone bringing up this topic to discuss it are responsible for the public opinion here that your particular knife or knives is less in value now sounds to me like at the core you are actually just angry because you paid for membership in the wrong forum to move the knives you happen to own! I suppose that is our fault as well?

By the way I had no trouble at all selling my user SnGs or my minty PT and got exactly what I wanted for them either in trade or in sale price and I did it right here on these forums. But I do agree there is another place these particular knives seem to move better. My take on your opinion here is that it has always been the case that this 'other forum' is the better place to sell those knives and this was noted long before any topics of this sort were started here or elsewhere! If you want top dollar for your Strider or your Emerson knives go where they are more likely to get you that and stop whining. I'm not trying to come off as a smart *$% but simply stating thats what common sense dictates.

STR

 

[Justabuyer]

Thanks Parker for the reasoned reply. You gave me something to think about. And you did it with out insulting Cliff Speak. That made it easy to absorb. Insults like calling me stupid and whiney tend to close my mind.

STR since this is a open forum could you actually say the names of the forums your talking about?

Throm of course I checked strider out. I looked here. Prior to the big dust up I saw little that seemed bad and the knives were holding the value very well.

I did not buy them as a investment persay...but I did hope they would hold value well for trades and future sales to fund other knives. Much like Busse knives. I really hope you don't get a bee in your bonnets about them.

 

[stabman]

I did not buy them as a investment persay...but I did hope they would hold value well for trades and future sales to fund other knives.

They still DO hold value for trades so far as I have seen; they just aren't appreciating in value.
TNK keeps selling them for $400-$500 and up, and end up sold out of many models, so it seems people are still buying them.
Just when you say investment, I think of prices going UP, and THAT'S a risky gamble with almost any commodity.

 

[STR]

Thanks Parker for the reasoned reply. You gave me something to think about. And you did it with out insulting Cliff Speak. That made it easy to absorb. Insults like calling me stupid and whiney tend to close my mind.

STR since this is a open forum could you actually say the names of the forums your talking about?

Throm of course I checked strider out. I looked here. Prior to the big dust up I saw little that seemed bad and the knives were holding the value very well.

I did not buy them as a investment persay...but I did hope they would hold value well for trades and future sales to fund other knives. Much like Busse knives. I really hope you don't get a bee in your bonnets about them.

I thought you already knew about the USN forums, and the Badlands forums, . My bad if not.
And if you do belong to either of those forums already then your arguement here is all that much weaker in my opinion. But truthfully for Striders and some other makes those are going to have a larger fan base to sell to for those knives. Most anything else moves here quite well but if you want to appeal to the largest number of people interested in what you have I'd suggest listing there as well as here. But what do I know.

STR

 

[hlee]

The crazy thing about investments is that sometimes they go up in value, sometimes they go down in value. Whining about how your investments are going down in value not only marks you as a poor business person, it marks you as a whiner. Esav was wrong with how this thread is ending... It is with a whine and not a whimper.

 

[thombrogan]

of course I checked strider out. I looked here. <snip/>

I did not buy them as a investment persay...but I did hope they would hold value well for trades and future sales to fund other knives. Much like Busse knives. I really hope you don't get a bee in your bonnets about them.

From your other posts in this thread, it sounded like you had purchased the knives as an investment. How well the knives hold or increase their value depends on more than people finding and posting links about phony veterans. At least one person listed on that site as having falsified his military history (and medical qualifications) still has a cult following and people happy to design knives based on his specifications. So some people might turn cold here or get defensive elsewhere, but these sorts of things get obscured by time. Still, as a monetary investment, more research than reading BFC should've been done. Even at BFC, it might've been a tip-off to see that the big-time collectors here who specialize in folders and stainless steel folders rarely brag on their 1st generation AR (even if they have one and carry it daily).

Most of my Busse bonnets are made by Leatherman, so they won't fit a bee when the knives are sheathed. Will have to check the others, though. Are you suggesting that my Busse collection will suffer the same fate for the same reasons? I've only sold for retail if new and less if used (less still when you include me not asking for shipping or paypal fees), so this is not money for me. This is for fun. Busse knives; whether for chopping up stuff in my yard or for not dying; are for fun. All of my custom knife purchases have been for fun, too. My 401k is not for fun, though, so I do invest a little.

edited to add:
I notice that intentionally vague remarks have been made by Justabuyer regarding his interests as paying BFC member and the future value of Busse knives. I hope Justabuyer isn't revealing his character by hiding his meanings.

 

[Parker]

Thanks Parker for the reasoned reply. You gave me something to think about. And you did it with out insulting Cliff Speak. That made it easy to absorb. Insults like calling me stupid and whiney tend to close my mind.

STR since this is a open forum could you actually say the names of the forums your talking about?

Throm of course I checked strider out. I looked here. Prior to the big dust up I saw little that seemed bad and the knives were holding the value very well.

I did not buy them as a investment persay...but I did hope they would hold value well for trades and future sales to fund other knives. Much like Busse knives. I really hope you don't get a bee in your bonnets about them.

JAB, glad to be of service here. I get where you are coming from and frankly I can sympathize with your situation.

I'm in the same boat - I usually hope I can sell them for at least what i paid, and if we're buying fairly well-known but limited-edition handmade pieces, it's at least reasonable to hope for, given that no situation like this one comes along...

STR, remember lotz of folks just do not have the time or inclination to screw around on the net looking for every venue they could possibly spend typing away about knives and such - wives, kids, jobs and maybe a softball league just get in the way, but your point is made.

BFC IS the end-of-the-road knife forum for many folks, it's easy to use and about the most inviting for most folks. If there is one place commonly held knowledge can be found about knives, this is it. USN is for those folks whose obsession goes beyond what BFC can offer, bordering on a cult-like devition to edged tools. If Justabuyer is not going to get utterly nuts about his knives, it's likely healthier than my own obsession!

 

[XJ-linux]

May as well pipe in... I apparently chose the worse time to unload a good chunk of my collection which is mainly Strider folders. I can't seem to give these darn things away. Anyhow, knives brands seem to come and go in value. Like everything else that is bought, sold and traded it's largely related to supply and demand. Demand for $400 folders is low - so quit posting/selling them in the aftermarket and the supply will dry up. Eventually the demand will increase. That goes for any knife I think, just look at Microtech prices lately. I didn't get into collecting knives to make a profit, though I didn't get into it thinking I'd own items worth 60% of what they sold for either. Be patient and lock those Striders back up for a month or 6 and you will probably have better luck selling or trading them for something you are comfortable with. Not a whole lot one can do but be patient, which seems to be a good trait for any collector or investor. People discussing a particular knife-maker have less effect on the "market" than is perceived in my humble opinion. I could be wrong though. Peace!

 

[STR]

STR, remember lotz of folks just do not have the time or inclination to screw around on the net looking for every venue they could possibly spend typing away about knives and such - wives, kids, jobs and maybe a softball league just get in the way, but your point is made.

Good point.

Anyway, its my bad. I apologized for assuming something I should not have to Justabuyer. Again I mean no ill intent. I was just saying that the fan base for Strider knives mostly hang elsewhere now since Mick and Duane closed their own forum here. It was wrong of me to just assume it was common knowledge among paying members and long term lurkers here.

STR

 

[Cobalt]

Maybe you should just shut up and try to focus on the facts. It might help you avoid the "megaconfussion".

easy bubba:jerkit:....what facts are those and how do they pertain to knives. The continued starting of meaningless BS threads like this is the FACT. So instead of telling others to shut up, maybe you should stick a pie in your pie hole :thumbup:

 

[STR]

Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe Duane's background was checked by whatever agency he works with or trains marksmen at? I seriously doubt they'd just hire the guy to train their snipers without checking into it don't you? Boy if not then someones head will roll for that one! I was unaware that he worked with a police agency. He must like the work because it strikes me to ask how he can run a knife company and do that too and yet be motivated to take a serious pay cut to boot but I know Ernie Emerson trains the military and also makes guitars so I guess its possible to have your fingers in lots of baskets of other things you are passionate about and still keep up with the knives. Go figure.

STR

 

[Cougar Allen]

doubt they'd just hire the guy to train their snipers without checking into it

That happens all the time -- a smooth talker with absolutely no genuine qualifications at all can train cops and get paid for it. It's as easy as stealing a police cruiser and unlike driving a stolen police cruiser the frauds often get away with it for years before they finally get caught. Do not imagine for a moment that because someone trains cops his qualifications must be genuine.

 

[nitestocker]

i just finished reading this thing and what id like to no if this guy who told the outher police agencies that he was a military sniper and he taught the police . are the police agencies going to arrest him for fraud or are they going to hide this under the rug so they don't look so stupid for not looking into this a little better. this is pretty important to check someones credentials in this type of matter just my opinion . and one more thing i believe in forgiving people but these guys need to make an apology to the military and to there buyers . if they don't i hope they get what coming to them. if they do and mean it i hope they do well . we have all lied one time or another i do not think they should have used this military lie to line there pockets though when we have soldiers dieing over there and they are profiting this way

 

[Justabuyer]

edited to add:
I notice that intentionally vague remarks have been made by Justabuyer regarding his interests as paying BFC member and the future value of Busse knives. I hope Justabuyer isn't revealing his character by hiding his meanings.

Nothing I have said is nearly as intentionally vague as this. I think you are talking at shot at me. But it is so camouflaged in Cliff Speak I can't tell for sure. The third person this thread to do so. Welcome the the crowd Thrombrogan. Easy group to join just have to be snotty to people that express a opinion you don't like. Woot!

I mentioned Busse ONLY because I have purchased tens of thousands of dollars in Busse products in the last few years and would hate to see that company fall out of favor. Its Similar in that much of the Busse knife value as good as they are, is in the good buyer perception of Jerry Busse and the Company. I get as caught up in that as the next guy. I hope I never find myself being called stupid for it like I have here in the Cliff Speak Comments.

For both Busse's welfare and Mine I would not want them to have this sort of thing to land on them. I HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THAT IT WILL. But I had no reason to think it would happen to Strider either.

Nor was I vague about being a paying member here. I expressed pretty clearly that I wanted the membership I purchased primarily to buy and sell knives here to be valued and protected by the man I purchased it from. Since Strider Knives make up a large part of my Collection I have been slightly not obsessively annoyed about the Strider hate threads happening over and over and over again. I asked for relief I was told no. Thats the end of it.

 

[Justabuyer]

Good point.

Anyway, its my bad. I apologized for assuming something I should not have to Justabuyer. Again I mean no ill intent. I was just saying that the fan base for Strider knives mostly hang elsewhere now since Mick and Duane closed their own forum here. It was wrong of me to just assume it was common knowledge among paying members and long term lurkers here.

STR

Thank you STR.