Strider Knives, Game Over!

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hlee said:
The crazy thing about investments is that sometimes they go up in value, sometimes they go down in value. Whining about how your investments are going down in value not only marks you as a poor business person, it marks you as a whiner. Esav was wrong with how this thread is ending... It is with a whine and not a whimper.
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I applaud this post. Insults should be open and clearly aimed at the person you wish to insult. Not hidden in politeness. Way to flaunt the rules!


Sincerely,
The poor business person that whines. :rolleyes:
 
According to Duane's records, he did receive his rifle expert badge, so I can see that he would be able to show enough of an expertise in marksmanship to be able to convince people that he would be a good trainer.

Strider knives seem to have held their value pretty darn well. I haven't noticed anyone selling them for rediculously low prices.
 
gator68 said:
You've got HOG references in your sig etc. Is Jerry Busse a liar?


As long as you buy from people who lie to you, they will continue to lie to you. Why don't you demand some respect and insist people be honest with you.
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Not that I know of he's a standup guy in my book!


I seriously don't really worry about whether companies lie to me because most do especailly the really big companies! Like I've already mentioned if I did I wouldn't be a consumer in today's market place!
 
A couple points here, the records that are available show he was a Marine, he even had an accommodation medal. For most people they would be proud enough of that, it is quite an accomplishment. What other training or qualifications the man has are just not military. Meaning, he might be one hell of a shot, great with a gun, and even a good instructor, I don't have any personal knowledge of any of that.

What I do know is that a couple years ago the Strider website had all kinds of training advertised and somewhere between the time when the shit hit the fan with Mick and now it seems to have all disappeared, that and all their Bio information too. As a matter of fact there is nothing on their new website about them, not even their names. If you look onto the "Who Is Strider?" it is just a blank page with links to Badlands and USN.

http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/WhoIsStriderKnives.shtml


Somhow between the time Duane got out of the Marines in which he was a technician he earned a reputation as a Marine Sniper with a very high "Kill Count" among other things, To my knowledge he never tried to correct any of that information, if anything that kind of story was highly encouraged by the groupies.

One of things that pisses me off about this whole situation is the way these two guys have been strutted all over the net as "Combat Veterans" who make "Real Deal" knives for the troops. This is the kind of BS that was being told to young soldiers in order to sell their products to carry into combat and told amongst the general public to encourage the sell of product all based on fabricated stories. Its simple, they totally lied to and screwed the very people they claim they support, which is the young general enlisted guys.

I have also heard enough about how they give away product to support the troops, everybody in the industry gives away product, for that matter everybody in marketing in any industry gives away product. That is certainly nothing special, for that matter how many knife makers on this forum made and gave away custom knives since 2001? As far as I'm concerned they can take all their t-shirts and make feminine hygiene products out of them. They are the worst military has to offer, "War Profiteers!" and flat out "Dishonorable!"

As far as the apologists for Strider Knives, wake up and smell the coffee or go back to your video games where you can be your own Rock Star!


This is the story of a real Marine Sniper, An American Hero!
http://www.helpeddieryan.com/about.shtml
 
Bubba, that is some story. God Bless Eddie and his family, He is an American Hero! He is in my thoughts and prayers.
 
Justabuyer said:
Nothing I have said is nearly as intentionally vague as this. I think you are talking at shot at me. But it is so camouflaged in Cliff Speak I can't tell for sure. The third person this thread to do so. Welcome the the crowd Thrombrogan. Easy group to join just have to be snotty to people that express a opinion you don't like. Woot!
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There was no reason to state that Bladeforums; especially with its history involving Strider Knives; should lock or delete threads with less-than-satisfying information other than it hurt the potential resale value of Justabuyer's Strider brand knives. If you were not implying that you would stop paying for membership here because you felt entitled to that request, then what were you doing?

And when you say you would hate to see the same thing happen to Busse Combat Knife Company knives, why would you think that could even happen? Busse's knives stand or fall on the choice of materials, construction, designs, and customer service. Where's the myth? That they use a steel they feel handles most demands and will switch to a better one when they confirm it exceeds their demands? That Isaacson takes most of the abuse and grief for Swamp Rat instead of Mrs. Busse? Why, then, would you even bring them up?

It's not the fault of Spark, BFC, or anyone else beyond Mick and Duane that part of your collection may depreciate due to the unfortunate events which have been brought to light. Since you could've searched harder than one website for the information on your investment; which isn't an investment per se - except for when you say it's being ruined by these meddling kids; it's unfair and unreasonable to claim other people's actions are harming your investment. The knives still work as knives; the Strider guys will still treat you right when you need service; and they're still high-dollar items on the secondary market. Their price will rise in time; it's not like the sales forums here or elsewhere are swimming with a glut of $150 unused SnG knives.

You didn't do your homework and now you're blaming everyone and everything else. If you don't like that people are saying your own actions are your own responsibility and they don't use perjoratives or profanity, you label it Cliff Speak. When answering me, you mentioned Busse 'out of the blue' as it were. Well, yes, I do hope that Mr. Busse doesn't start making claims which can't be verified, but since this thread had not one thing to do with Busse and only with the owners or Strider Knives, I have no idea why you'd bring them up other than for making vague threats. No, wait, scratch that. Another possibility would be because your membership was paid for with your money, you have Strider Knives in your collection, and also have Busse Combat knives in your collection as well and your concern was for your loss in case you researched your Busse investment in a similar way to your Strider investment. Would that be it? Would that be why you're coming across as a threatening fellow when that is not your intent?
 
It is not the responsibility of Bladeforums to make sure that things don't get posted that may cause the value of someone's knife collection to go down.
 
I just don't understand this animosity. I have always admired your posts and really respect your contributions and read with great interest your posts on sharpening.

I fully explained everything you bring up here already you just want to argue. Sorry nothing to be gained in continuing. You wont read my reply with out the "he is wrong and I will prove it with brilliant logic filter" .

Unlike you I can see some truth in what people who disagree with me have to say. Its not black or white. Its Grey. You are aware of this, its evident in what you don't talk about or directly address in your replies to me. Even now I bet your analyzing this for weakness to hammer me with in your reply right?
Your caught up in the game....needing to be right. Speaking of Cliff

My use of the Term Cliff Speak has nothing to do with the use of profanity.
A good example would be the preceding paragraph. :D

Its about insulting someone in a read between the lines way. This is what Cliff did that pissed people off so much. He would pick out little things take them out of the context of the entire conversation just to make people look foolish. Then he would dish out sideways insults. He did it to avoid the rules.
Just like several posters in this thread.







thombrogan said:
There was no reason to state that Bladeforums; especially with its history involving Strider Knives; should lock or delete threads with less-than-satisfying information other than it hurt the potential resale value of Justabuyer's Strider brand knives. If you were not implying that you would stop paying for membership here because you felt entitled to that request, then what were you doing?

And when you say you would hate to see the same thing happen to Busse Combat Knife Company knives, why would you think that could even happen? Busse's knives stand or fall on the choice of materials, construction, designs, and customer service. Where's the myth? That they use a steel they feel handles most demands and will switch to a better one when they confirm it exceeds their demands? That Isaacson takes most of the abuse and grief for Swamp Rat instead of Mrs. Busse? Why, then, would you even bring them up?

It's not the fault of Spark, BFC, or anyone else beyond Mick and Duane that part of your collection may depreciate due to the unfortunate events which have been brought to light. Since you could've searched harder than one website for the information on your investment; which isn't an investment per se - except for when you say it's being ruined by these meddling kids; it's unfair and unreasonable to claim other people's actions are harming your investment. The knives still work as knives; the Strider guys will still treat you right when you need service; and they're still high-dollar items on the secondary market. Their price will rise in time; it's not like the sales forums here or elsewhere are swimming with a glut of $150 unused SnG knives.

You didn't do your homework and now you're blaming everyone and everything else. If you don't like that people are saying your own actions are your own responsibility and they don't use perjoratives or profanity, you label it Cliff Speak. When answering me, you mentioned Busse 'out of the blue' as it were. Well, yes, I do hope that Mr. Busse doesn't start making claims which can't be verified, but since this thread had not one thing to do with Busse and only with the owners or Strider Knives, I have no idea why you'd bring them up other than for making vague threats. No, wait, scratch that. Another possibility would be because your membership was paid for with your money, you have Strider Knives in your collection, and also have Busse Combat knives in your collection as well and your concern was for your loss in case you researched your Busse investment in a similar way to your Strider investment. Would that be it? Would that be why you're coming across as a threatening fellow when that is not your intent?
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Keith Montgomery said:
It is not the responsibility of Bladeforums to make sure that things don't get posted that may cause the value of someone's knife collection to go down.
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Question asked and answered my friend. Am I the only one that understood when Spark said no? It ok man.... I promise I heard him too.
 
hlee said:
The crazy thing about investments is that sometimes they go up in value, sometimes they go down in value. Whining about how your investments are going down in value not only marks you as a poor business person, it marks you as a whiner. Esav was wrong with how this thread is ending... It is with a whine and not a whimper.
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if there is one thing i have learned in ~8 years on this forum, and messing with knives in general..........

if ya want an investment thats gonna go up in value (generally the idea with investments FWIW) try the stock market, bonds, futures, lotsa different things, knives arent one of them.

rare is the day when i make anything on a knife, oh its happened, but its not a common thing, lol.

as far as striders problems, this has all been beaten to death, i dont have anything new to add.

if ya like the knives, buy them, if ya dont like the knives(or owners) simply dont buy them, its easy enough.
 
Justabuyer said:
My point which people refuse to address directly...is...STRIDER KNIVES are not suffering from these posts.

Thats a fact.
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With all due respect, Justabuyer, that is not a fact - not even close. The middle to high end knife market is a very fickle place. Compared to most other industries, the available pool of people who are willing to part with $500 for one folding knife is relatively small. And the ones who will make such a purchase generally evaluate a number of factors before depleting their PayPal account. Resale value on the open market is very near the top of this short list. So, if what you say is true, and the resale values of Strider products are already dropping, then Strider Knives most certainly is being hurt by these revelations. Perhaps not in a way that is immediately evident to their bottom line, but you can rest assured that if the trend continues, then their products will necessarily be less attractive to the next generation of mid-range tactical knife consumers - at which point the laws of supply and demand will begin to take hold.

In the short term, Strider Knives will continue to survive largely due to the continued support of a loyal customer base that they cultivated prior to this period of scandal. The makeup of this base strikes me as a bit ironic inasmuch as they are, by and large, exactly the type of people who should be most offended by the alleged conduct of the company's front men. But, be that as it may, if the allegations hold up, then the company will further suffer as the current fan base begins to be lost to natural attrition, and the ranks cease to be replenished by the next generation of servicemen and LEOs who refuse to do business with individuals who have distorted their military service records in the manner alleged.
 
Bravado said:
Not that I know of he's a standup guy in my book!


I seriously don't really worry about whether companies lie to me because most do especailly the really big companies! Like I've already mentioned if I did I wouldn't be a consumer in today's market place!
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I'm not talking about big companies, I'm talking about knives. I have knives from all sorts of people and companies. There are many more knives I would love to have. Because there are so many great places to buy great knives, one of my personal criteria is a bit of respect for the maker. I refuse to buy a knife from someone who lies to me about themselves or the knife.

If someone tells you the knife you are buying from them is S30V, heat treated by Paul Bos, and it turns out it's really 440A done in China... well, no shame on you, you got burned. But if you buy another knife knowing that person is lying to your face you need to get some self-respect and tell that person to get lost.

Same thing if a certain company is trading on their "combat experience" -- OK, at first you take them at face value. But when you find out both owners have lied repeatedly for years about what their true experience is... and even when caught, continue to lie... why buy from them when there are other great knives to be had?
 
Justabuyer said:
Question asked and answered my friend. Am I the only one that understood when Spark said no? It ok man.... I promise I heard him too.
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Hey, let us know what Strider says to you when you ask them about this. You are going to ask them why they are messing with your investments, right???
 
Here a part of the history of this bunch of mess. For those who are crying about this, My original post was intended to help set the record straight and get the facts out there. To be honest the whole situation is a giant waste of time, all the thanks should go directly to Mick Milli and Duane Vanilli. They enjoyed the parade while it lasted but if you blow smoke, don't get surprised when the fire trucks shows up!






http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_173_29/ai_n7578410


Evolving edges: Strider knives get better and badder!
American Handgunner, Jan-Feb, 2005 by Pat Covert

Somewhere out there in the war zones of the world there are a bunch of heroes sleeping a little bit better knowing they've got a Strider knife strapped to their sides. These are the warriors who depend on edged steel for tough-ass field chores and hard-ass combat. These are the people for whom Strider makes knives.

It may come as a surprise to some, but Strider Knives is now 12 years old. Surprising because about three-quarters of those years were spent under the radar. During those years founders Mick Strider and Duane Dwyer, special ops veterans and super-patriots alike, quietly went about achieving their goal of building hard-use knives for military personnel who rely on a knife to cut all types of cord, including those of the vocal variety.

You can't keep a good thing secret forever, though, and we outed Strider in these pages several years ago in the pages of American Handgunner. Much to Mick and Duane's chagrin, we exposed their clandestine operation and touted their knives as being some of the meanest, toughest, and baddest fixed-blade knives on the market. They just thought they could hang around their special forces buddies, make a few knives, and tell war stories--but the jig was up.
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Bubba, you have an agenda and I would not be surprised if you came out and said you were associated with a strider competitor. Oh if in anyone has any smf's (particularly custom) that they want to sell while you can still get back 50% of your money then send me a PM. Better do it quick cause if Bubba keeps finding out all these glorious mysteries then you will be paying me to take your knives :) ...
 
I really get annoyed at that "Cliff-speak" thing of yours. Say what you mean and don't invent terms that don't exist. That makes your posts even worse than what you excuse other people of. Cliff is gone and there is no use to invoke his name for good or bad at every turn for crying out loud.

Justabuyer said:
I mentioned Busse ONLY because I have purchased tens of thousands of dollars in Busse products in the last few years and would hate to see that company fall out of favor.
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And, again, you make it sound as if you are buying knives only because they are popular and not because of their own merit or, god forbid, because you actually like them. Your behavior is alike to asking the newspapers not to print anything bad about Enron, because you bought some stock in them. And you are wrong in thinking that this discussion does not affect the Strider company and only their buyers. How shortsighted to think, just to pick out one example, that re-sale value would not affect the profitability of a company. Toyota's popularity is in part most certainly due to the re-sale value of their used cars.
 
Digital Data Technician!

Well, that explains the great website!

These guys are focking frauds. They have always been focking frauds. They will always be focking frauds.

Anyone who buys one is a tool and a poser or at best, a sucker.

There, I am done now.

I am just waiting for their 5 knifemaker buddies to chime in to say how great they are to drink with!
 
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