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Strider Knives, Game Over!

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Bubbanumber1, Dec 16, 2007.

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  1. thombrogan

    thombrogan

    Nov 16, 2002
    Hey Justabuyer,

    At this time, it appears we are unable to get along. So I'll continue to admire the objects of your collection (I'm a fan of Strider brand folders and Busse brand knives and even own and torment some Busse brand knives) and admire your dedication in obtaining the best of best hard use production cutlery and you can keep using "Cliff Speak" to describe what I write when I disagree or feel upset with you. You didn't owe me a response or reply, but you've been kind enough to provide them and for that I thank you. I apologize for letting my emotions get the best of me and being inhospitable to you. That was wrong of me and you're within your rights if you don't accept my apology.
     
  2. thombrogan

    thombrogan

    Nov 16, 2002
    What if they just like big honking knives made out of S30V with G-10 or cord-wrapped handles?
     
  3. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    THE question is: Are those Strider guys good to the EARF?!
    Lycosa
     
  4. Bladeandbarrel

    Bladeandbarrel

    Oct 5, 1998
    How long will it take the editors of the knife magazines to recant all of their editorial about these "steely eyed killers" and their "street cred".
     
  5. thombrogan

    thombrogan

    Nov 16, 2002
    I think so. Mick is a vegetarian and I think Duane consumes cattle before they can generate too much greenhouse gases or request larger pastures be clearcut from rainforests. Based on today's opinions, that's good Earf stewardship.
     
  6. Rat Finkenstein

    Rat Finkenstein Gold Member Gold Member

    May 18, 2005
  7. OilMan

    OilMan Gold Member Gold Member

    May 6, 2004
  8. DaveH

    DaveH

    Dec 2, 1999
    It really comes down to this. either your a greed person, worried most about money, making it, keeping it, swindling it out of people, etc.

    Or you are a truth person.

    These twp types will never get along, even in this thread.
     
  9. Justabuyer

    Justabuyer

    May 7, 2006
    Good point Gator68. I agree business people should be accountable to their customers and see customer interests as their own.
     
  10. thombrogan

    thombrogan

    Nov 16, 2002
    DaveH,

    I must disagree with the alternatives you've offered. Greed and truth often go hand in hand because that's where the real money is to be made.
     
  11. Justabuyer

    Justabuyer

    May 7, 2006
    First of all no apologizing needed. This is a Internet forum that's all. Its not like you came to my house and actually pee'd in my cornflakes.

    I don't feel we can't get along at all. We have much more in common than this disagreement. In fact I have gotten my hands on some interesting Kitchen cutlery from Bark River. Mike Stewarts take on the Santoku is very interesting. I would love to send you mine for a look and a forum review.
    It's really an interesting knife. Please PM me if your interested in seeing and giving it a spin.

    Your evil money grubbing swindling capitalist friend.

    Justabuyer


     
  12. Justabuyer

    Justabuyer

    May 7, 2006
    Amen Brother. Preach it.
     
  13. DXC

    DXC

    50
    Dec 20, 2004
    Thanks for the complement keyboard commando. :jerkit:
     
  14. Cougar Allen

    Cougar Allen Buccaneer (ret.) Gold Member

    Oct 9, 1998
    Gentlebeings, we don't need to characterize people who buy a knife or don't buy a knife. It's a knife, not a membership card....
     
  15. lotus1972

    lotus1972

    641
    Feb 12, 2006
    Do any of us have someone out there who does not like us? I know for a fact that I have people who love to tell me how to live my life but at the end of the day it's MY life to lead as I see fit.

    How does assisnating a man's character help one out or help someone else out? At the end of the day does Mick or Duane still make a damm fine knife? The answer would be apparently yes. I buy a knife because I like a knife and the maker is never a reason I buy or do not buy a knife. If I had the extra money and there was a Strider model I liked I'd most likely buy it and the same goes for Lynn Thompson or Crain or anyone.

    Lead your own life and let them live theirs.
     
  16. gator68

    gator68

    Oct 1, 2002
    How is it character assassination to hold someone accountable for their own lies? If Duane Dwyer said he was a USMC sniper, but it turns out he was a computer technician, it is wrong to point this out?
     
  17. Bronco

    Bronco Moderator Moderator

    Feb 25, 2000
    Yes, well - as a person who hates moral relativism as much as anyone on the planet - this is the part where I get really conflicted. On the one hand, as a general rule, I'm absolutely disgusted by anyone who would distort or otherwise embellish their military career or accomplishments for any reason. And to do so for personal monetary gain is the basest of all the possible motivations, in my estimation. As previous threads on this topic have made clear, the intensity of the anger and sense of betrayal that military men experience as a result of this type of activity is not always that easy for non-military folks to understand. I can accept that fact and see no need to denigrate or attack civilians who are unable to make the connection.

    I also understand that there exists a certain hard core element of the Strider "bro patrol" whose minds have long ago been made up with regards to the veracity, and perhaps even more disturbingly, the importance, of these allegations. For the majority of these folks, I have little doubt that Mick could be caught on tape forcibly molesting sheep, and their only concern would be whether or not it's possible to have lamb chops for dinner that night. Okay, fine. We can accept the fact up front that there'll likely be no epiphany for these folks any time soon. I say live and let live, by whatever definition of integrity you can abide.

    It's at this point, however, that we get to the aforementioned BFC knife makers who have vigorously and unrelentingly defended the honor of the Strider duo in past threads. And this is a phenomenon that gives me great pause. Not just because they're knife makers, but because of which knife makers they are. Several of the more vocal ones are individuals who I hold in the highest esteem, and whose honor and integrity I can vouch for personally. And so I wonder what it is that they could possibly be seeing in these two that would allow them in good conscience to absolve the duo of their alleged detestable behavior, which if true, continues on to this day. I've never spoken with any of these makers on the subject, so I'm not privy to any information that's being withheld from anyone else. But it's solely due to the faith I have in the judgement and integrity of these men that I will keep an open mind on the subject at hand - at least for the time being. And that's not an easy admission from one who believes that the foundation of our society is built on the need to hold individuals accountable for their actions.
     
  18. STR

    STR Knifemaker/Moderator Moderator

    Aug 27, 2004
    Bill you bring up some good points. I think its like this. This whole thing caused a lot of blow ups in the industry but too many people had too many ties to Strider to step away when the lies came out. Basically they didn't want to admit they had been fooled, but also they still promote off of them so there is money involved. It doesn't bother me as much that Mick committed a crime and paid his debt to society for a three count felony. I guess you have to know the situation to understand that, but the lies on top of the lies, on top of all the editing which indicates covering their tracks bothers me a lot and is indicitive of guilt. I also find it distasteful the way Mick personally attacked other people for having no experince and he just made all of his up apparently. This is disgusting! Now to hear that Duane is of the same ilk or just that it even appears that way is a disheartening blow to many. To make a living off of the deaths of others (real people did what he claimed to do and never came home) is very low.

    The last time this story broke my son had just come back from an 18 month stint in Iraq. The whole issue was very touchy for me and really hit home when I realized that my son has never once talked to me about much of what went on there yet I know he was nearly killed twice on convoy duty and also that he watched children get run down rather than risk slowing down as well as other things. Its hard for most of these guys that experience that kind of trauma to even think about it let alone brag at the dinner table. I always get a bit uncomfortable with this kind of thing. Honestly it never felt right to me and thats all this was is talk. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that from folks in the industry. "They talk a good story" is how its come across to me.

    It seems to me noticing how my own son has changed since his tour of duty watching his commrades die off and actually having to help carry them on the stretchers to get help that most of the real heroes are hard pressed to ever speak of it again. This should have been red flags to anyone right away but drinking and bragging seem to go hand in hand I guess.

    STR
     
  19. shawn79

    shawn79 Banned BANNED

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    Dec 23, 2006
    Until everyone finally gets it right. Mick Strider (Stryder...Lee...Fogle...Jackson...Hall...Johnson...Floyd...Casum...whatever the hell his name really is) is a lying, no good, snake licking, dirt eating, over hyped, brainless, ***kless, hopeless, heartless, piece of monkey s**t-who deserves to die a horrible, fiery, burning death and his ashes peed in by all those whom he has wronged...HALLELUJAH, HOLY SH*T!! Where's the Tylenol?!




    ;):D
     
  20. shawn79

    shawn79 Banned BANNED

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    Dec 23, 2006
    that last post was only a joke...btw...don't ban me or light the blow torches on me...
     
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