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Strider Knives, Game Over!
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Look, everyone please stop bickering about this.
Sharky has his resources to use for verification. He has come forward and promised action will be taken. He's stated he has current and former USMC Scout / Snipers looking into this. Take that at face value. I believe him when he states he wants a resolution.
If records are produced, they should be able to be independently verified & confirmed by more than "yup, he's my buddy" and so on. There are multiple parties interested in finding out the facts now, so I'm sure there will be some sort of result. I'm interested in finding out if this is indeed a case of identity theft or if Dwyer / Poland are one and the same.
Sharky has his resources to use for verification. He has come forward and promised action will be taken. He's stated he has current and former USMC Scout / Snipers looking into this. Take that at face value. I believe him when he states he wants a resolution.
If records are produced, they should be able to be independently verified & confirmed by more than "yup, he's my buddy" and so on. There are multiple parties interested in finding out the facts now, so I'm sure there will be some sort of result. I'm interested in finding out if this is indeed a case of identity theft or if Dwyer / Poland are one and the same.
Well, that is surprising. I'm not sure I understand what I'm reading. It sure sounds like you're asking everyone to see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, and let you get on with a cover-up.
Huh? Are you on crack? Coverup? What are you talking about? What reason do I have to cover up ANYTHING? I dont know ANYONE involved from either side. Wow.
You want everyone who's left a message on Duane's answering machine to refuse all calls from him now that you've started a ... what have you started? An investigation? A cover-up? That's a very confusing post.
Read it again. Slowly.
You threaten that if anyone answers a phone call from Duane you'll pick up a phone and call off the ... um, investigation, is it? It's funny, I've never heard a threat like that from the police. I've never heard a threat like that from anyone doing an investigation before.
What I am telling you is these guys are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts because they have the resources and knowledge of that community to do it effectively. They are willing to jump in and try to help resolve a situation that nobody else has been able to resolve in what? 8 years someone said? Would you want to receive multiple phonecalls over and over, especially at your workplace, questioning your credibility? Who could blame the guy for clamming up? I'd tell you all to go to hell if that happened to me. That makes the work of the guys who actually have the ability to sort out the truth infinitely harder. If I asked you to do something for me for free and then I actively did something to make the task more difficult for you, would you continue to willingly help me?
I wouldn't, and I dont expect these guys to either. I'm saying leave Dwyer alone and let these guys do their thing. Give them some time before people start picking up phones and calling the man at work asking questions that they know nothing about. That isn't a hard concept. I still dont get where you got the whole cover-up bit. I'm about as fair and honest of a person as you will find on the net. There's plenty of people in the community who will back that statement up. I dont appreciate you implying otherwise.
If you would like me to leave you and your drama alone just say the word and I will disappear. Gladly.
Thank you to the ones who actually were able to read and comprehend what I posted. It didn't seem to be that difficult of a concept to me. Wow.
And yes, a lot of people know about this crap other than on BF. My god its been going on for years. Like a screaming kid who wont shut up. I also would suggest to you that if you are bragging about this site being the source of this your priorities are pretty screwed up.
And yes, a lot of people know about this crap other than on BF. My god its been going on for years. Like a screaming kid who wont shut up. I also would suggest to you that if you are bragging about this site being the source of this your priorities are pretty screwed up.
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Nothing you've said here is against common sense or unreasonable. I agree with 99% of it myself.
I don't know who approached you for assistance, but if you can actually provide verification that's accurate, reliable and matches official records, I personally welcome it. I don't know what else needs to be said.
I also agree that those crowing about credit need to STFU already. This isn't about "credit" or "bragging rights" or "reputation points" or anything else other than trying to find out whether we've been lied to, repeatedly, for years. It's a shame that it's come down to actually not being able to trust people on this subject, but that's life - dishonest people prey on the good faith of others.
We (BladeForums.com) didn't start this controversy. We have no vested interest in any outcome. All things being equal, I sincerely wish that this drama had never even come here. All of that is water under the bridge.
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Only if you're thinking in terms of taking somebody's word that Duane is a dog. If you're looking at evidence it doesn't matter what anyone says he thinks about the evidence or what his emotions or motives might be; you can just ignore him and look at the evidence.
He is friends with a dog. That proves he is a dog too.
Cougar,
To be honest I am interested in the outcome of this, but have not paid to investigate any SS#'s or made any FOIA requests. The info on POWNET has me about 90% convinced, but I must admit I'm a little dense so the "Poland" info doesn't completely convince me. If Sharky tries to pull a fast one it will only hurt his own credibility. I'm willing to give him a chance before I make a determination though.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by your pic, but if it has to do with Mick, I think Spark's thread has put that issue to rest.
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Sharky, often things can be misunderstood on the net, we only have text to work with.... I really hope I've totally misunderstood what you posted.
I don't know, maybe you misunderstood something too, misread something to mean someone has been pestering Duane with phone calls. (In fact Evolute left a message on Duane's machine (just one message) long before you started posted here, and when Duane called him back Evolute answered the phone.)
The part that struck me as bizarre was the threat to pick up the phone and call off the investigation. That is not the way people who want to find out the truth normally think. That is the kind of thing we expect to hear from someone who is trying to do a whitewash, a coverup. When people who want to find out the truth want to make a threat it's more likely to be threatening to investigate, not threatening to call off an investigation.
If I've misunderstood you I'm very glad to hear it. You may rest assured that no one can possibly call it all off and cover it all up.
I don't know, maybe you misunderstood something too, misread something to mean someone has been pestering Duane with phone calls. (In fact Evolute left a message on Duane's machine (just one message) long before you started posted here, and when Duane called him back Evolute answered the phone.)
The part that struck me as bizarre was the threat to pick up the phone and call off the investigation. That is not the way people who want to find out the truth normally think. That is the kind of thing we expect to hear from someone who is trying to do a whitewash, a coverup. When people who want to find out the truth want to make a threat it's more likely to be threatening to investigate, not threatening to call off an investigation.
If I've misunderstood you I'm very glad to hear it. You may rest assured that no one can possibly call it all off and cover it all up.
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Spark, would it be considered sassing a mod if it were suggested one of the pics depicting a cat getting slapped by another cat with the caption stating it shut up while the men are talking applied to one of the mods instead??
Yeah, it would. How about you save the snide remarks?
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Thoughout this thread some people have clung to the idea that if someone you trust vouches for someone you can trust that person too. Some groups are based wholly on that idea. In the real world when you base your trust on that in no time at all your house is full of cats, which you are firmly convinced are dogs. Earlier in this thread some of us gave examples and showed rationally what's wrong with that idea, but some people still cling to it. The picture is intended to illustrate what's wrong with that idea.
The only way you can tell if an animal is a dog or a cat is to look at that animal. Not at his friends and associates, at him.
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Someone raised an allegation, who cares from where other then the person the allegation was made against and their lawyers, and now it's in the hands of the professionals.
The crux of this matter is the respect that Snipers, and others who've served, get and deserve (Canadian snipers being the best by a mile
) therefore they have the most skin in the game. Let them not only conclude the issue but also deal with any confirmed posers.Quite frankly, for example, a guy who watched CSI once telling me who committed the murder wouldn't mean jacksquat.
Again, this is not a hard concept. I'm saying that you have an asset that can help you solve this. I'm asking that those of you not part of that asset take a break from questioning Dwyer. I understand that Dwyer was just returning Evolutes call. I'm asking all of you to NOT call the man with a bunch of questions to the point that he gets sick of it and wont talk to ANYONE, which makes it impossible for the Marines to get anything done. If that continues to happen I will take it as a sign that people aren't really willing to allow the issue to be settled for whatever reason and will ask my friends to just forget trying to help out. They have plenty of real world issues to worry about that are much more important than this.
Again. I have no want, no reason, no need, no interest, no agenda, to cover up anything at all. I could give a shit about any of this. My friends are offering to help. If people dont appreciate that enough to stay out of their way then I dont think they need to waste their time on it.
Respectfully, if it was just a matter of asking Duane wouldn't this all be done and over by now? I'm personally still undecided but if I was looking for an answer regarding if someone is telling the truth or not I'm not sure how much stock I would give the comments made by the person in question.
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I think we've cleared up the misunderstanding now. As far as I know no one else has called him and I hope everyone is willing to continue not calling him.
Let's not pester him in person, either.
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IMHO Sharky is advising and informing us that a group of experts in this field are investigating this and will simply report their findings. It will still be the public to draw their own conclusions.
There is nothing worse than for an expert to ask questions of someone who has been asked that same question over and over by a layperson. It mucks things up and in many instances causes the person in question to just STFU. Sharky is trying to avoid that.
As for "coverup", Huh? Where? What? There isn't even a hint of it especially when no one's been asked to accept what the team of expert USMC snipers discover on it's face. If you think men with real backgrounds, real reasons to have pride, and have really earned their integrity and credibility will chuck it away for Duane Dwyer then he is more powerful than any of us ever thought.
In the end these guys are going to present facts and evidence and we will all form our own conclusions. If they do their "job" well our conclusions will all be the same and this thread will end very well for Duane or very poorly.
I think we here are very fortunate to have been offered help by such an honorable group.
As for ligitigation, blah, blah, blah BLAH !!!!! That would be service with a smile.........
There is nothing worse than for an expert to ask questions of someone who has been asked that same question over and over by a layperson. It mucks things up and in many instances causes the person in question to just STFU. Sharky is trying to avoid that.
As for "coverup", Huh? Where? What? There isn't even a hint of it especially when no one's been asked to accept what the team of expert USMC snipers discover on it's face. If you think men with real backgrounds, real reasons to have pride, and have really earned their integrity and credibility will chuck it away for Duane Dwyer then he is more powerful than any of us ever thought.
In the end these guys are going to present facts and evidence and we will all form our own conclusions. If they do their "job" well our conclusions will all be the same and this thread will end very well for Duane or very poorly.
I think we here are very fortunate to have been offered help by such an honorable group.
As for ligitigation, blah, blah, blah BLAH !!!!! That would be service with a smile.........
Sharky,
Thanks again for doing all this…it really is appreciated....more than you know.
Let’s not pretend that it doesn’t matter, though…if you really look at it, elements of faith, loyalty, honesty and integrity all come into play. If you try to live your life like as an honorable human being, and have earned membership into an elite group, charlatans claiming membership to that group, or similar, tend to chap the ass a bit, at the least. So getting to the bottom of it all is realy in everybody’s best interest.
It is not unique to the military, or other legal, and honorable organizations. Biker clubs(Hell’s Angels, Bandidos…..), Street Gangs(Crips, Bloods, LKAQ…
and the like, would absolutely MURDER those who claim membership, but have not earned that right…it is human nature to despise deception.....like padded bras.The fact that you experienced deception at the hands of a charlatan, and had another of your good and honorable friends bitterly defend the actions of said charlatan reeks of current parallels all over the place. Those that have defended Duane are either owed a serious apology by all of the vocal and venomous doubters, or deserve respect and consolation for the loss of a “friend” they believed in. Belief and loyalty are hallmarks of the best people in the world, and there just is not enough of either of these anymore.
I really look forward to a relatively unbiased resolution to this, and pray that regardless of the outcome, that all can move forward to accomplish positive and productive goals, for the good of our own individual communities, and hopefully, the world as a whole.
Best Regards,
STeven Garsson
I'm well aware that there's more to it than that. That's why people with the right background have volunteered to be a neutral 3rd party and see whether they can verify it or not. If he tells you he was a S/S in 1/1 STA from 1986-1990 most people probably dont even know what that means. These guys know what it means, where it's at, who was in charge at the time, and if they don't, they know where to find out and have the access to do so. But, first, they have to find out that info to have something to check and that info, in order to be credible in either direction, has to come directly from Mr. Dwyer. Does that make sense now? You guys need one of those smilies where he is beating his head against a wall.
I agree on letting the S/S do their thing. They know what to ask, who to ask, but most importantly, have the P&A to ask in the first place. Of course, what is presented will have to be verified, whichever way it points. I don't think they're going to call up Duane and ask, 'hey, were you a sniper?' and call it a day. Seems like they want some dates, units, something that's filed away somewhere if it's genuine.
I can also see why some people think that BF is the center of the Strider controversy universe. Hell, we've been told multiple times that nobody outside this very tiny corner of the internet is talking about this. We're the cesspool degrading men's lives, nobody else cares, tables at shows are still crowded, collectible mugs are still sold out, etc.
Teacher, I really don't see why you're taking Dwyer at his word. This whole thing started because Dwyer's word was that he was a sniper; what we're waiting on is paperwork.
I can also see why some people think that BF is the center of the Strider controversy universe. Hell, we've been told multiple times that nobody outside this very tiny corner of the internet is talking about this. We're the cesspool degrading men's lives, nobody else cares, tables at shows are still crowded, collectible mugs are still sold out, etc.
Teacher, I really don't see why you're taking Dwyer at his word. This whole thing started because Dwyer's word was that he was a sniper; what we're waiting on is paperwork.
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