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Strider Knives, Game Over!
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Cougar Allen
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Hmm ... when Sky popped off one person suggested he was not displaying the qualities that are usually expected of a police officer ... and when some people attacked Lance's integrity someone else said they were meanie heads ... and if you add those two people together and divide by two you get an imaginary hypocritical moderator?
Do you really? What investigator do you think posted what information about family or that you consider personal?
One person mistakenly posted something in this thread about one of Mick's adult children thinking it was about Mick. It was removed a few minutes after it was posted. It is public information easily available to anyone who might be interested, but not relevant.
A couple of years ago some people circulated an email with some attachments and initially didn't think to remove the addresses of Mick's adult children from an attachment -- again, public information but irrelevant. At the time Mick tried to make that out as a death threat against his family, but even at the time I don't think he fooled many people who didn't want to be fooled. He never did accuse the publishers of phone books....
Correction: I thought Mick had some adult stepchildren, but I've been informed I've added another item to all the misinformation floating around. I was confused -- the children in question are not adults.
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I do believe this to be about a single issue really. When one's foundation is built on sand, it should come as no surprise when the facade inevitably crumbles. I've never served and am fully aware that there are a great many who have that feel a once and always civilian should stay out of this. However, imo, the kind of lies we are talking about here are of such an egregious nature that, if true in Dwyer's case, they eclipse and minimalize all those things that he has honestly accomplished- not to mention how it would be an insult to all of those who have actually done what is claimed and a dishonor to the memory of those who perished doing the same. But then, again IMO, all of that would also just go away if they would just man up and admit the truth. I've said it before but what the heck, one more time. I would honestly respect and admire that; it takes a lot of courage to stand tall and eat that kind of pie.
It takes none to hide behind the ever-looming "lawyers" or BS posts like the one Mick Strider made that was re-posted to this thread however many dozens of pages ago.
Attack him ? That honestly was not what that was intended to be.
What I read was that he supported Mick & Duane no matter what. Then I said the below...
'teacher" said & asked:
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BUT.... MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY .... You support Mick & Duane, no matter what ????
YOU DON'T care IF they lied and dressed up the report ???
In my book.... that is a pathetic statement .........
You say you did / do this.........
..........""Served 9 years as a Nassau County Aux. Police Officer.""
IF ..you are still doing this.... And ....have no more interest in the Truth than what your statement exhibits.
You should never work another shift
I repeat....
....YOU SHOULD NEVER WORK ANOTHER SHIFT ... as a LEO of any type......
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To me, what he said was that he supported them regardless. Ignoring what one has done and one, allegedly has done; at this point.
He made no mention of supporting them as a friend, while not condoning what they had done.
He said he supported them "no matter what".. implying to me it made / makes no difference what they did / do.
IF.... that is how he feels and as far as his interest in the Truth goes in this matter... that is up to him.
My point is.... does he apply the same standard to those he may deal with as an LEO. [I should have asked this, I neglected to... my bad.]
IF the same standard of wanting the truth is applied to those he deals with as an LEO...... no problem.
IF.. IMO .... a different standard is applied..... a problem.
He should hang it up.
NOW... I did assume he would apply a different standard. I was wrong in assuming that.
So, if he does in fact apply the same standard.... I humbly apologize.
IF not... retire.
I do not think civilians should stay out of it. The fact that I am a veteran (non combat)really doens't mean much. It did, however, give me a perspective about people from 2/75 that civilians do not have. Tab or no tab, they are professional soliders and have an incredibly high risk job. That was before the war. So to say no tab= no meaningful service in 2/75 is a little misleading. Misrepresenting combat service is bad. Painting service with a broad brush is too. Others will disagree.
The whole issue of insulting the dead rings hollow with me. We lost a local Marine here early in the war. A childhood friend of my wife's and known to me as well. My wife and I were high school sweethearts and when I left to the Army, he was a very good friend to her.
He was a real scout sniper. He is listed on the memorial of the scout sniper association. For me, none of this horseshit has anything to do with him. It often just feels like an excuse people use to attack others.
The whole issue of insulting the dead rings hollow with me. We lost a local Marine here early in the war. A childhood friend of my wife's and known to me as well. My wife and I were high school sweethearts and when I left to the Army, he was a very good friend to her.
He was a real scout sniper. He is listed on the memorial of the scout sniper association. For me, none of this horseshit has anything to do with him. It often just feels like an excuse people use to attack others.
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I can accept that, but don't understand it. Someone lies and profits from it. Another actually does the thing the liar claims and dies in the service of his duty. It sure seems pretty dishonorable, on the liar's part, to me.
And for the record, I don't believe I've used anything in this thread as an excuse to attack others.
Teacher,
I can see where you are going on that. I think this medium doesn't help. If we were all discussing this face to face, I think it would be very different. There may be raised voices, but I do think it would be a lot more polite. (As long as there was no alcohol, which probably is involved in this whole saga somewhere)
I would stand by friends that have done bad things. I a would continue to pray for people even when I am completely opposed to decisions/ actions thay have made. I would hope for reconciliation in some form. There are people in my life I have had to quit associating with, but I have a hard time not caring for them any longer. I know everyone does not go through life the same way. Even my thoughts have changed over the last 5 years. In the past, maybe I could write people off for life.
I can see where you are going on that. I think this medium doesn't help. If we were all discussing this face to face, I think it would be very different. There may be raised voices, but I do think it would be a lot more polite. (As long as there was no alcohol, which probably is involved in this whole saga somewhere)
I would stand by friends that have done bad things. I a would continue to pray for people even when I am completely opposed to decisions/ actions thay have made. I would hope for reconciliation in some form. There are people in my life I have had to quit associating with, but I have a hard time not caring for them any longer. I know everyone does not go through life the same way. Even my thoughts have changed over the last 5 years. In the past, maybe I could write people off for life.
I understand your perspective. I am just pointing out that my wife's pain and my sense of loss are not really diminished by a group looking out for his status as a scout sniper.
Attack is too strong, sorry. But using that arguement to strengthen your standing in the issue keeps you involved on an emotional level. I can't reallly throw rocks, I have ended up doing it as well.
As we are not going to get a full disclosure or mea culpa, perhaps this thread can be usefull in addressing how to have a dialogue when we disagree. It is obvious that I have needed redirected enough.
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Mick Strider was a Ranger for June and July of 1986, a sum total of 2 months. If he had been in combat as he claimed and came back with a Purple Heart or even received a Medical Discharge from training this would be a none issue but no, he was DX'D in training, went AWOL, then was rejected from military service.
I do not know Mick Strider but I have looked into this situation in depth. When Mick Strider was originally confronted with the facts, instead of just being honest about his situation he went off about Pat Tillman as if there was any undocumented scenario he could have been in that would relate to someone who died in combat, in uniform, as a direct action of friendly fire. Thats the kind of Ranger Mick Strider is, DX'd, Disgraceful, Disgusting, Dishonorable, One Who Has Stolen Valor From Honorable Men And Women To His Own Beneficiary!
Mick Strider's entire military service was less than one year, was actually 11 months and days, possibly less considering his 20 days of leave and the week he was AWOL. AWOL time does not count as time in service, Yes he was AWOL, AWOL equals Scumbag. While he can blah blah blah his way to fame and fortune amongst those who are not familiar with such issues, for the most part a bunch of kids, he is not fooling anyone who knows the military. The timeline is a matter of public record.
1. 1985, July, Delayed Entry Program
2. 1985, November, 26, Becomes Active Army
3. 1985, December, 03, Enters, Basic Training
4. 1986, March, 14, Enters, Airborne Training
5. 1986, April, 04, Enters, Ranger Indoctrination Program
6. 1986, May, 09, Takes Leave
7. 1986, May, 29, Enters, Ranger Battalion
8. 1986, August, 04, DX'd, Ranger Battalion
9. 1986, August, 29, AWOL
10. 1986, September, 04, Returns to Active Duty
11. 1986, November, 26, Discharged
12. 1986, November, 27, No Military Service Recorded
From 1986, November, 27, forward there is not one single document that shows Mick Strider to have any relationship with the U.S. Army, Department of Defense, or any Government Agency outside of his time within the Department Of Corrections as an inmate and convict.
In Micks own words he was DX'd!
What exactly is DX'd?
One thing is clear, being DX'd is somewhere between "Nothing to brag about" to "Something you don't want anyone to ever know about" and is a very good reason someone would redact their own DD214, just as Mick Strider did as viewed below.
To date there has never been any document produced that showed Mick Strider was ever anything but a E1 Private, you cant loose what you don't have, but at least he told one true story, he was discharged from the Army.
This says it all, This simple and overlooked quote from his own words. Mick Strider has no right to refer to himself as Army or Ranger.
The situation with Duane Dwyer is a separate matter but all the questions about Duane Dwyer were the result of Mick Strider and his Combat Veteran and Marine Sniper stories. I have never wanted to take any part in any of this but I feel obligated to do so as an American who knows first hand the cost that Combat Veterans and Peacetime Veterans pay from my own family's service to the United States Military.
Duane Dwyer has been confronted about his military record and to date has yet to show any evidence he is anything but another liar, the same way his partner is a liar and military phony. They are both currently listed as a Phonies on POW Network.
Mick Strider's DD214 Redacted By Mick Strider
Originally Posted By Mick Strider
Department Of Defense Record
Originally Posted By Mick Strider
Department Of Defense Record
Ed,
I'm not saying write people off, not at all. Be their friend, help them anyway you can. But help does not always include enabling them, who ever they are; to continue in error without calling them on it.
If my best friend rapes his grandmother, kills his neighbor, and shoots his dog. I am not gonna continue to defend him to you and tell you what a great guy he is. Nor would I expect him to do it for me were I in his shoes.
Am I still gonna be his friend and try to help him whatever way I can... yes. Am I gonna try to help get him a "pass". .... no. Nor would I condone or defend what he has done.
To me, this whole thing has nothing to do with personalities. This just happens to be going on here because they make knives and this is a knife forum.
The same thing could be going on at the gun forums, the chess forum, the truck forum or the church forum.
The one in question could have ended this pretty much at the outset... if he chose to. He hasn't... ???
That fact in itself tells me a lot......
DX-direct exchange
you DX gear that doesn't work. Back in AIT, when asked about his marital status, a SGT responded he had DX'd his wife
Just want to clarify the term for those who haven't been exposed to it before. It's a bit of slang when used to refer to people.
Strider also would have been promoted within that 11 months, I think. Nowadays up to E-4 is automatic based on time served. I don't know what he did to lose all rank and get booted, but in training I knew of guys who committed rape, drug use/distribution, assaults, etc. I don't care what unit they were in or had in their contracts, they don't mean anything to me.
you DX gear that doesn't work. Back in AIT, when asked about his marital status, a SGT responded he had DX'd his wife
Just want to clarify the term for those who haven't been exposed to it before. It's a bit of slang when used to refer to people.
Strider also would have been promoted within that 11 months, I think. Nowadays up to E-4 is automatic based on time served. I don't know what he did to lose all rank and get booted, but in training I knew of guys who committed rape, drug use/distribution, assaults, etc. I don't care what unit they were in or had in their contracts, they don't mean anything to me.
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Gee Ed I missed that!! Could you kindly point out the attacks on Sky's position as an Aux. Policeman? To the contrary, NO ONE attacked it. I cannot find anyone attacking the guy beyond his cold and callous comments about two great, yet deceased men.
AND, Michelle's comments read like a person who tried to sign on but could not and not someone who is chomping at the bit to post but will not. Michelle is a big girl, who is quite independent, if she wanted to post she certainly knows how and if adamant no one would stop her. Your statement about her limits of posting here is disengenous sir.......................
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DX-direct exchange
you DX gear that doesn't work. Back in AIT, when asked about his marital status, a SGT responded he had DX'd his wife
Just want to clarify the term for those who haven't been exposed to it before. It's a bit of slang when used to refer to people.
Strider also would have been promoted within that 11 months, I think. Nowadays up to E-4 is automatic based on time served. I don't know what he did to lose all rank and get booted, but in training I knew of guys who committed rape, drug use/distribution, assaults, etc. I don't care what unit they were in or had in their contracts, they don't mean anything to me.
There are plenty of reasons one could be in service for one year without ever being awarded a stripe, one of them is going on sick call every time it rains or just being your average turd in a punch bowl.
One of the things that is so bizarre here is that out of all the stories and all the responses you've never seen one person from Fort Lewis come to Mick Striders defense or even heard him say I was with, Joe, Tom, Dick, and Harry, back at Lewis, they know about this stuff. Instead everything is secret squirrel for him and the antifreeze drinkers.
Question from page way back there:
Michelle, Is Duane Dwyer a Marine Sniper or not?
Answer: Green Crickets Chirping, Silence ______
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I am non-military so could someone explain the form above? It says "Ranger Indoc program", does that meant the same as Ranger? Are you indoc'd as a Ranger before you complete the program?
And Ed, are you suggesting that one must have a military background or an LEO background of some sort to have the correct perspective? I sit back and continue to hear the importance of DD remaining 100% silent and watch him allow this thread to continue, and while I have no military experience I have the exact same perspective as many who do; the man IS a poser.................
AS for Sky being an award winning Aux. Policeman, no one has asked him to prove it. To the contrary no one cares, not because it's minimized but because it has no bearing on DD's history as a USMC Scout Sniper.
Also, I said before I hold the Nassau County Police and their Aux. Police in high regard and wish I could have been a member. But even though I am not an Aux. LEO or member of the MilitaryI still question the value of DD's silence and remain suspect as to his veracity..........................
Oh and Teacher, I do and say all this having never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!!!!
****Now, back to the topic at hand; Is Duane Dwyer a USMC Scout Sniper with Combat experience???????
And Ed, are you suggesting that one must have a military background or an LEO background of some sort to have the correct perspective? I sit back and continue to hear the importance of DD remaining 100% silent and watch him allow this thread to continue, and while I have no military experience I have the exact same perspective as many who do; the man IS a poser.................
AS for Sky being an award winning Aux. Policeman, no one has asked him to prove it. To the contrary no one cares, not because it's minimized but because it has no bearing on DD's history as a USMC Scout Sniper.
Also, I said before I hold the Nassau County Police and their Aux. Police in high regard and wish I could have been a member. But even though I am not an Aux. LEO or member of the MilitaryI still question the value of DD's silence and remain suspect as to his veracity..........................
Oh and Teacher, I do and say all this having never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express!!!!
****Now, back to the topic at hand; Is Duane Dwyer a USMC Scout Sniper with Combat experience???????
Ranger Indoctrination Program (RIP) begins when the Ranger Liaison picks up the Ranger candidates at Airborne School - just after graduation - to immediately begin the program.
The program is designed to instruct and select, from a pool of candidates in grades E-1 to E-4, those suitable for service in the 75th Ranger Regiment. The four week program consists of physical training and continuous preparation for service in the Regiment. It is important that each candidate be familiarized with operational procedures, equipment and the standards of the Regiment prior to their assignment.
TRAINING EVENTS
* Daily Physical Training
* Ranger History test
* Map Reading
* APFT
* Airborne Operation
* Ranger Standards
* Day and night land navigation
* 5-mile run
* Combatives
* Knots
* Combat Water Survival Test
* 6, 8 and 10-mile road marches
* Driver Training (DDC Card)
* Fast Rope Training
* Combat Lifesaver certification
http://www.goarmy.com/ranger/
The program is designed to instruct and select, from a pool of candidates in grades E-1 to E-4, those suitable for service in the 75th Ranger Regiment. The four week program consists of physical training and continuous preparation for service in the Regiment. It is important that each candidate be familiarized with operational procedures, equipment and the standards of the Regiment prior to their assignment.
TRAINING EVENTS
* Daily Physical Training
* Ranger History test
* Map Reading
* APFT
* Airborne Operation
* Ranger Standards
* Day and night land navigation
* 5-mile run
* Combatives
* Knots
* Combat Water Survival Test
* 6, 8 and 10-mile road marches
* Driver Training (DDC Card)
* Fast Rope Training
* Combat Lifesaver certification
http://www.goarmy.com/ranger/
No Ira, they are not. I interpretted her remarks on badlands to say she did not want to participate any longer. She said, paraphrased, good for you if you can try to stay neutral. I can't post there anymore.
Read teachers responde to my comments. He acknowledged my remarks, clarified, and we moved forward.
I believed your tone to be mocking his participation as a reserve. Pointing out that you had family that were still real full time cops. And, wow, what a hero he must be for being a reserve. If you were not being sarcastic or mocking, then I apologize to you .
I am not your enemy.
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Correction: I thought Mick had some adult stepchildren, but I've been informed I've added another item to all the misinformation floating around. I was confused -- the children in question are not adults.
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When you graduate RIP you are assigned to a Battalion, given your now tan beret and a scroll. RIP gets you in the door to the 75th Ranger Regiment. Once again we are back to Mick says he got hurt and was DXed. If thats true then he is entitled to the term Ranger. If it were Lack of Motivation, or failure to meet the standards then it would be a no.
Trying to find someone from C Co. circa 1986 isnt as easy at it sounds.
Yes guys could not hack it were run out without mercy and the Regt DXed a lot of guys.
And once again Ranger School and a TAB is not the same as the 75th Ranger Regiment and a Scroll.
If you pass each of the required training schools and RIP, you will receive an assignment to either the 75th Ranger Regiment Headquarters or one of the three Ranger Battalions.
http://www.goarmy.com/ranger/
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