Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Hurrul said:
That's all you've got? Can't address the reality of who has been actually wronged in this situation (hint: it's not Guy or Ellie)?

Clearly, you know how to keep your word, judging by your feedback score here on BF...so my words about keeping your word and doing right by others, should not be difficult to understand. But, you willfully choose to ignore the obvious in your responses to me.

Your hollow defense of a company that would abandon their responsibility to you in a heart beat is quite ironic.
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1. I’m not defending them. I’m questioning the effectiveness of this absurd thread. If anything it’s likely to make SK! say “to hell with it we’re just gonna move forward since there’s no chance of forgiveness.”

2. It’s not my responsibility to address anything I don’t choose to. I don’t represent SK! and am not responsible for addressing any of their customer complaints.
 
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Danny Linguini said:
How about because maybe this particular moderator’s position on the matter is more than just an opinion? The business’s sub forum here was closed down - do you think that was just because of the OPINION of one moderator and a handful of malcontents? There’s a lot of bad blood leading up to this point, and the business in question has only continued to perpetuate it over the years rather than doing anything to remedy it. It’s not just bad behavior, it’s outright fraud, but people see fit to expend a lot if energy trivializing it because it didn’t happen to them. Except for the one guy who it DID happen to, and he still thinks it’s ok.
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But I think the problems with Survive! have already been established, and I don't see anyone denying that. Are the wait times long? Yes, that's a fact. Are people who ordered knives later getting them before people who ordered knives in 2015? Yes. Have some people waited 6+ years for their knives? Yes, that there is another objective fact that I don't see anyone arguing. However, statements like "you know what, yes the business is shady but I got a really good knife in the end" or "it doesn't matter how good the knives are, because the owners are total scumbags and actively scamming people" or "Survive! are committing fraud" are all statements of opinion, not fact, so yes both the staff member and everyone else are mostly discussing on the basis of opinion, and I don't think it's right for a staff member to threaten someone in this community with a ban because they're annoyed with them and either don't like or don't understand what they're trying to say. And before I too am accused of being a shill, please know I generally agree with the majority opinions in this thread, however I can't support the lynch mob that is raised every time someone dares outline a positive experience they've had. I see this over and over in threads involving companies that people on this forum hate for one reason or the other, there's always a handful of guys who don't exclusively have bad things to say and almost always they're just dogpiled by members and staff alike to the point of baseless accusations and ad hominem. I see grown men (I assume) acting like children and it's just really embarrassing. Like really, who is a forum member to tell another forum member that "you shouldn't be posting" or to simply "get out" because they read something they don't like? It's so needlessly emotional and juvenile and reflects poorly on our community as a whole.
 
kafolarbear said:
But I think the problems with Survive! have already been established, and I don't see anyone denying that. Are the wait times long? Yes, that's a fact. Are people who ordered knives later getting them before people who ordered knives in 2015? Yes. Have some people waited 6+ years for their knives? Yes, that there is another objective fact that I don't see anyone arguing. However, statements like "you know what, yes the business is shady but I got a really good knife in the end" or "it doesn't matter how good the knives are, because the owners are total scumbags and actively scamming people" or "Survive! are committing fraud" are all statements of opinion, not fact, so yes both the staff member and everyone else are mostly discussing on the basis of opinion, and I don't think it's right for a staff member to threaten someone in this community with a ban because they're annoyed with them and either don't like or don't understand what they're trying to say. And before I too am accused of being a shill, please know I generally agree with the majority opinions in this thread, however I can't support the lynch mob that is raised every time someone dares outline a positive experience they've had. I see this over and over in threads involving companies that people on this forum hate for one reason or the other, there's always a handful of guys who don't exclusively have bad things to say and almost always they're just dogpiled by members and staff alike to the point of baseless accusations and ad hominem. I see grown men (I assume) acting like children and it's just really embarrassing. Like really, who is a forum member to tell another forum member that "you shouldn't be posting" or to simply "get out" because they read something they don't like? It's so needlessly emotional and juvenile and reflects poorly on our community as a whole.
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THAT, my friend, is entirely your opinion. Survive committing fraud, however, is fact. Survive has quite the history of it, which is what not only got their subforum shut down, but got them inducted to the Hall Of Shame here on BF.

I suggest you read this thread in its entirety, along with the links to their defunct subforum if you wish to filter the facts from the opinions.
 
Moderators are here to…moderate? As in, keep the discussions from getting out of hand. So when you come into a thread that states pretty obviously what the mass opinion here is with the sole intention of causing negative interactions- that’s kind of what the moderators are trying to prevent.

And I’m no bootlicker, I’ve had my fair share of corrections given, but I’m also not a natural contrarian.
 
Infi-del said:
You say that like I'm the only one that finds this thread to be a ridiculous joke. That would be a false assumption. This thread is a 9.9 out of 10 on the (Cannot release the butthurt) scale, with spontaneous combustion being a 10. The people participating in this thread for 4 years don't come here to do battle with SK!. SK! doesn't give a crap. SK! left this place long ago for greener pastures. They come here hoping to recreationally unfurl their internet rage on anyone that would dare not agree with them. They come here to agree with one another and congratulate each other on the nobility of that agreement. They're taking a stand. They're making a difference. They're fighting the good fight LMAO. And they relish the chance to kick sand at anyone that would dare not share their point of view. It's like a little nest of bored but hysterically angry hornets having the longest temper tantrum in the history of ever. A few even make veiled threats that I might be banned for daring to disagree. Or some... like yourself... suggest I should just be silent, go away... if I don't join in the tantrum. That's why it's funny. But your suggestion works both ways... folks could always just ignore me. There is an ignore feature on the board. I use it.
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Again you seem to be missing the point of this thread, which is to warn others away from a set of hucksters masquerading as knife makers. This thread has demonstrably done that more than once, which means that it is serving its purpose. I believe that the more posts it gets the greater its visibility to web search engines as well, so every post in this thread is a win.
 
Triton said:
Again you seem to be missing the point of this thread, which is to warn others away from a set of hucksters masquerading as knife makers. This thread has demonstrably done that more than once, which means that it is serving its purpose. I believe that the more posts it gets the greater its visibility to web search engines as well, so every post in this thread is a win.
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Then you should welcome my participation every so often. You’re welcome.
 
Infi-del said:
Then you should welcome my participation every so often. You’re welcome.
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Oh I do, I do. In addition to perhaps saving some poor schlub from getting taken by the survive knives gang it also tells me who I should and should not do business with amongst other things. Its a very useful thread.
 
Triton said:
Oh I do, I do. In addition to perhaps saving some poor schlub from getting taken by the survive knives gang it also tells me who I should and should not do business with amongst other things. Its a very useful thread.
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I have a flawless transaction record. So if you’re referring to me… your reasoning is flawed.
 
Infi-del said:
I have a flawless transaction record. So if you’re referring to me… your reasoning is flawed.
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Your record has absolutely nothing to do with it. My knife money is absolutely discretionary and I only spend it with companies and individuals that I want to support. If someone supports shysters I am not interested in purchasing things from them. Call it an over developed sense of honor if you like. Further I suspect that if someone sees nothing wrong with shady behavior they are only a small step away from such behavior themselves.
 
Triton said:
Your record has absolutely nothing to do with it. My knife money is absolutely discretionary and I only spend it with companies and individuals that I want to support. If someone supports shysters I am not interested in purchasing things from them. Call it an over developed sense of honor if you like. Further I suspect that if someone sees nothing wrong with shady behavior they are only a small step away from such behavior themselves.
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LOL honor. No worries man. No worries at all.
 
Danke42 said:
Nothing more ethical than solid self interest.
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Egoism is an ethical system!
Just because it’s a shitty ethical system doesn’t mean it’s not valid. It’s just shitty. And I’m pretty sure infi-del has me on ignore because being mad wasn’t good for the self.
 
kafolarbear said:
Jesus dude, I don't have any skin in this game and will never buy a Survive! knife because I think they're a flat out bad business with shady (at best) practices. That being said, just having read some snippets out of this thread spanning almost a year back, I think you need to chill out a bit. It seems as if people need to tip toe around moderators here if expressing any opinions that the moderators don't agree with. How is that acceptable behavior? Shouldn't moderators simply impartially moderate discussions? Getting into arguments with your community and empty threats of bans for people standing up for themselves hardly seems like good practice. It seems as if mods and staff members are free to throw accusations and even insults at people they don't agree with, all the while threatening bans for comments that were clearly self aware jokes. I don't even see anyone seriously defending Survive! here, just defending themselves from the flood of accusations from people who seemingly enjoy the drama of it all. I have to agree with Infidel here (and I flat out disagree with some of his sentiments too), but it really does seem like a hate circle jerk than a real discussion, and its worse that it's seemingly spurred on by staff members.
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kafolarbear said:
But I think the problems with Survive! have already been established, and I don't see anyone denying that. Are the wait times long? Yes, that's a fact. Are people who ordered knives later getting them before people who ordered knives in 2015? Yes. Have some people waited 6+ years for their knives? Yes, that there is another objective fact that I don't see anyone arguing. However, statements like "you know what, yes the business is shady but I got a really good knife in the end" or "it doesn't matter how good the knives are, because the owners are total scumbags and actively scamming people" or "Survive! are committing fraud" are all statements of opinion, not fact, so yes both the staff member and everyone else are mostly discussing on the basis of opinion, and I don't think it's right for a staff member to threaten someone in this community with a ban because they're annoyed with them and either don't like or don't understand what they're trying to say. And before I too am accused of being a shill, please know I generally agree with the majority opinions in this thread, however I can't support the lynch mob that is raised every time someone dares outline a positive experience they've had. I see this over and over in threads involving companies that people on this forum hate for one reason or the other, there's always a handful of guys who don't exclusively have bad things to say and almost always they're just dogpiled by members and staff alike to the point of baseless accusations and ad hominem. I see grown men (I assume) acting like children and it's just really embarrassing. Like really, who is a forum member to tell another forum member that "you shouldn't be posting" or to simply "get out" because they read something they don't like? It's so needlessly emotional and juvenile and reflects poorly on our community as a whole.
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Unfortunately I don’t have the time to properly address your posts at the moment, this will have to suffice for now…
 
kafolarbear said:
but it really does seem like a hate circle jerk than a real discussion
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