Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

benchwarmer380 said:
The issue with this thought experiment is that it is not their past but how they currently run their business. The open orders from nearly a decade ago is a clear indicator of this.

To my understanding, the quality of their product has never really been an issue.





Nope. Don't need to to be aware of their shortcomings.
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You make a very good point, their quality has never really been an issue.
Their quality is why I decided in the first place to buy their product. My experience with them has always been positive, although their challenges with communication desperately need to be optimized.
So, because my personal experience with them has been decent, I thought it prudent to post on here that personal experience with the hope that someone else can also have my experience since it’s been a positive one; their communication really needs some work…….. a lot of work.

I completely agree with everyone that the open orders is also a tremendous issue.

By any chance, does anyone know when that pie chart was generated and updated?
 
PirateSeulb said:
My point is the making a choice ignorant of the impact is a different topic than one made when you are aware.
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Yes I completely agree with that statement. Whether the choice was made in ignorance or awareness, the choice made and money spent will have equal supporting effect in furtherance of the company.
Imagine how many people in criminal court would be found not guilty if there was a such thing as “not guilty by reason of ignorance”.

Here’s the thing, as long as the company still exists and is in business, there’s still some chance that the extremely backlogged buyers will eventually get their orders. Telling people not to buy knives from Survive, decreases their chance for sales which also decreases their viability to stay in business, and will lead to them closing thereby guaranteeing that those backlogged buyers will never get their orders. From what I understand, they’re an LLC and if it falls apart and goes bankrupt, the owners won’t incur any damages. If there is no money available because of all the issues they’ve had in the past, they will have liquidate all Survive assets and absolutely no one with unfulfilled orders will get their order or their money back. It’s in the best interest of the backlogged customers that Survive stays open, and that’s coming from a purely selfish consumer perspective, which everyone has the right to, especially if you have skin in the game.
 
JohnWE said:
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shill
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
noun


  1. an accomplice of a hawker, gambler, or swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others.




    A definition for the person asking what they sound like.
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Oh no this isn’t me. I don’t have nefarious or malicious intent in posting my experiences on here. I’m also not an accomplice for survive, only a customer.
 
Tools_and_Tights said:
Here’s the thing, as long as the company still exists and is in business, there’s still some chance that the extremely backlogged buyers will eventually get their orders. Telling people not to buy knives from Survive, decreases their chance for sales which also decreases their viability to stay in business, and will lead to them closing thereby guaranteeing that those backlogged buyers will never get their orders. From what I understand, they’re an LLC and if it falls apart and goes bankrupt, the owners won’t incur any damages. If there is no money available because of all the issues they’ve had in the past, they will have liquidate all Survive assets and absolutely no one with unfulfilled orders will get their order or their money back. It’s in the best interest of the backlogged customers that Survive stays open, and that’s coming from a purely selfish consumer perspective, which everyone has the right to, especially if you have skin in the game.
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Yes, I think that's pretty much how ponzi schemes work.
 
r8shell said:
Yes, I think that's pretty much how ponzi schemes work.
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Interesting analogy, I can see where you’re coming from. Do you believe survive is intending to operate as a Ponzi scheme? I personally don’t think so considering they have a lot more completed orders than backlogged orders.
 
Completed order numbers are including knives that were ordered, never delivered, and cancelled.

Using other people's money for years and years, interest free, despite being told they would be getting a product is a scam.
 
MolokaiRider said:
Completed order numbers are including knives that were ordered, never delivered, and cancelled.

Using other people's money for years and years, interest free, despite being told they would be getting a product is a scam.
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Wait so if they were ordered, never delivered, and then canceled does that mean those cancelled orders are considered refunded?
 
Danke42 said:
No, delivered.
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Yup.

People were duped into ordering a product that was never delivered, then refunded years later.

This is interest free loans, and then claimed as a delivered product.

Imagine being a customer who orders a product, does not get it, but sees new products being sold and delivered before you.

Like 8 years and change.
 
All the while being told excuse after excuse.

Poor heat treat. Bad Kydex. UPS messed up tools. Moving shops. Vendors that don't meet "standards". Delivery of scales that don't fit. No access to internet.

On and on....
 
Does this line of BS sound strangely familiar to anyone? I am not going to go full conspiracy theorist here, but the responses and persistent arguing are very similar to what has been posted here before...
 
Guy just released a video a few days ago stating that the steel suppliers are not taking responsibility for their mistakes and that Survive! is just a small American knife maker, and therefore subject to the larger corporate dismissal of responsibility.

He also stated that Peters Heat treat did not charge them for the decarburation issue.
 
ncrockclimb said:
Does this line of BS sound strangely familiar to anyone? I am not going to go full conspiracy theorist here, but the responses and persistent arguing are very similar to what has been posted here before...
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It’s only a conspiracy if there are more than one person involved. If you take my meaning.
 
Danke42 said:
No, delivered.
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Actually, they categorize the order as being completed. Of course a normal thinking person, not knowing any of the background, would assume ‘completed’ = ‘delivered’, and that’s part of what plays into the fraud. ‘Look, we completed all these orders,’ but nobody really knows how many have been delivered and how many have been canceled and refunded, because they’re all counted in the same bucket. Why anyone would willingly do business with a company that operates this way is beyond me.

As for whether they intend or not to operate as a Ponzi scheme, the fact of the matter is they’re robbing Peter to pay Paul - they’re taking money for new orders to fund the completion of old orders that have also already been paid for. Not exactly a healthy cash flow model.
 
Danny Linguini said:
Actually, they categorize the order as being completed. Of course a normal thinking person, not knowing any of the background, would assume ‘completed’ = ‘delivered’, and that’s part of what plays into the fraud. ‘Look, we completed all these orders,’ but nobody really knows how many have been delivered and how many have been canceled and refunded, because they’re all counted in the same bucket. Why anyone would willingly do business with a company that operates this way is beyond me.

As for whether they intend or not to operate as a Ponzi scheme, the fact of the matter is they’re robbing Peter to pay Paul - they’re taking money for new orders to fund the completion of old orders that have also already been paid for. Not exactly a healthy cash flow model.
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I would consider that to be mere semantics. The focus is on making the big picture seem much better than reality.

They may never have set out to be a ponzi scheme from the start, but they have had multiple chances to change course and they haven't.
 
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