Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

[Tools_and_Tights]

You got the knife two days ago and you’re saying they’re one of the best performing in the world?

What mediums have you cut with this knife?

How did the edge retention seem to you after extended use?

Did you sharpen the knife after extended use, and did you find any chips or rolls in the edge?

How did the cerakote finish hold up?

Did you find any hot spots with the handle design after extended periods of use?

Not just because of the physical appearance of this knife. You’re right I haven’t tested it, but I have tested their GSO 5.1 3v and GSO 12 3v and those were a big reason why I say they are some of the best in the world.

 

[Antonymous]

The 5.1 did have the decarb issues. There were a handful of models including the gso 5.1’s and 4.5’s, plus the EDC 2.7’s and 4’s, and the v4. They are trying to hide it maybe because they don’t have the 5.1 listed under their production now as a decarbed blade, but he has previous posts stating the 5.1’s were affected. Some were even affected badly enough that they had to regrind them down to .170” from .190” to get through the bulk of it. If the blade has this latest cerakote finish on it, it’s because it was a decarb’d blade.

Yes, go to their Instagram and look at posts from February. Good for you that you can take pleasure in owning a knife someone else paid for surely over 2 years ago but is still waiting. Their 3v is no different from other decent makers and it isn’t as good as Nathan’s from CPK.

 

[Elgatodeacero]

@Tools_and_Tights it sounds like you have not really used your S! knives, just that you have purchased a few?

You sound like a fanboy or maybe a shill……….

I have a fairly early S! knife and it was purchased for about $100 which was a good value back in 2014 or so.

I would say S! Knives rank about with ESEE and Becker for quality and performance (but ESEE and Becker are very honest and legitimate companies), so S! knives are ridiculously overpriced, if one is foolish enough to ignore the decade or so of very terrible business practices.

Anyone arguing that S! Knives are ”some of the best“ is delusional.

 

[Antonymous]

I had a survive knives gso 6 which is a very similar profile to the 5.1 but with an ever so slightly longer handle and no choil. While the fit and finish was nice, the knife was nothing special and I thought the ergos sucked to be honest. I have heard complaints about the 5.1 handle as well. There are so many custom makers who will make you a better knife for the same money and they’re actually good people, unlike Guy and Ellie.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

Yes, go to their Instagram and look at posts from February. Good for you that you can take pleasure in owning a knife someone else paid for surely over 2 years ago but is still waiting. Their 3v is no different from other decent makers and it isn’t as good as Nathan’s from CPK.

Yeah Nathan, Jo, and CPK are definitely something special, I happen to have quite a few CPK models as well.
I take pride in my purchase because I paid for it, it wasn’t given to me for free.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

@Tools_and_Tights it sounds like you have not really used your S! knives, just that you have purchased a few?

You sound like a fanboy or maybe a shill……….

I have a fairly early S! knife and it was purchased for about $100 which was a good value back in 2014 or so.

I would say S! Knives rank about with ESEE and Becker for quality and performance (but ESEE and Becker are very honest and legitimate companies), so S! knives are ridiculously overpriced, if one is foolish enough to ignore the decade or so of very terrible business practices.

Anyone arguing that S! Knives are ”some of the best“ is delusional.

Well I have purchased and used them and how “I sound” is of no consequence to the reality of how much I’ve used them and all of my knives.
Yes I have many medicines to take for delusions lol, but disregarding the decade of business practices and the prices, survive blows ESEE out of the water in terms of performance.

*what do you mean by shill?

 

[Antonymous]

Yeah Nathan, Jo, and CPK are definitely something special, I happen to have quite a few CPK models as well.
I take pride in my purchase because I paid for it, it wasn’t given to me for free.

I won’t fault you for that, but understand others here in this thread don’t want to see praise for survive because they had some available now ugly Bettys listed on the site that should have been finished and in the original payee’s hands a long time ago.
I had an order for a 4.5 magnacut blade in June, so a year ago. Guy kept promising how close they were to being done from the moment I ordered. He repeatedly and publicly said they were back from heat treat and would be wrapped up shortly. Then we get radio silence for months. Then he pops back up in February and says oh sorry guys we had this bad batch of heat treated blanks so we can’t fulfill these orders.
How does that timeline make sense? I was told the 4.5s were back from heat treat months before this decarb issue! That was proven a lie. Then he continues on and made it sound like he already had more 4.5 blanks ready to come back from Peters any minute, and that turned out to be a lie as well. I just learned they don’t even have the blanks at Peters yet.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Well yes you should….unless you didn’t get what you wanted….

Well here's S!K's list of people who literally don't have what they ordered in hand.
Still think they deserve my money?

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

Well here's S!K's list of people who literally don't have what they ordered in hand.
Still think they deserve my money?

I think they deserve my money. I took a chance and got what I paid for.
If you take a look at the end up my original post, you’ll see that it’s more beneficial to the consumer to use PayPal (specifically on “in stock” products), that way if you don’t get your product within the specified timeline, you can request a refund through PayPal so you’re not waiting years without a refund or having your money tied up in limbo. Paypal informs the vendor of the refund request and if Paypal doesn’t hear anything back within 10 days, Paypal takes the purchase money and refunds all of it back to the buyer.

 

[EngrSorenson]

I think they deserve my money. I took a chance and got what I paid for.

there are people out there who are okay with buying from a morally bankrupt company because they might get a nice knife out of the deal.
There are others of us who know that the knife will never be nice enough to support a morally bankrupt company.

All you're doing is telling us that, if you take the proper precautions to protect yourself, you can order from S!K.
No decent, self-respecting company would operate in such a way as to make that necessary...
... Because S!K is morally bankrupt.

 

[EngrSorenson]

If you take a look at the end up my original post, you’ll see that it’s more beneficial to the consumer to use PayPal (specifically on “in stock” products), that way if you don’t get your product within the specified timeline, you can request a refund through PayPal so you’re not waiting years without a refund or having your money tied up in limbo. Paypal informs the vendor of the refund request and if Paypal doesn’t hear anything back within 10 days, Paypal takes the purchase money and refunds all of it back to the buyer.

And sorry for really doubling down on this, but lets just review:

Your strategy is to treat the company like a hostile enterprise.
1) improve your chances of getting a knife by only buying in stock knives
2) buy using PayPal, because it's pretty likely you're going to get hosed one way or another.

Yeah. That's who I want to do business with.

I'd rather pay $300 dollars for the chance to see them walking their personal belongings out to their cars.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

there are people out there who are okay with buying from a morally bankrupt company because they might get a nice knife out of the deal.
There are others of us who know that the knife will never be nice enough to support a morally bankrupt company.

All you're doing is telling us that, if you take the proper precautions to protect yourself, you can order from S!K.
No decent, self-respecting company would operate in such a way as to make that necessary...
... Because S!K is morally bankrupt.

I’m not here to start a keyboard war but Moral bankruptcy is subjective. Are you saying that you’ve never owned or purchased anything from a seemingly morally bankrupt company? What kind of phone, computer, household appliances, and vehicles Have you purchased and owned?
I’d be willing to bet my new survive knife that you have purchased and therefore supported a company that has some history of moral bankruptcy .

 

[PirateSeulb]

I’m not here to start a keyboard war but Moral bankruptcy is subjective. Are you saying that you’ve never owned or purchased anything from a seemingly morally bankrupt company? What kind of phone, computer, household appliances, and vehicles Have you purchased and owned?
I’d be willing to bet my new survive knife that you have purchased and therefore supported a company that has some history of moral bankruptcy .

There is a difference between purchasing something from a company that you discover is morally bankrupt post purchase and purchasing from a company you have discovered is morally bankrupt.

 

[benchwarmer380]

I’m not here to start a keyboard war but Moral bankruptcy is subjective. Are you saying that you’ve never owned or purchased anything from a seemingly morally bankrupt company? What kind of phone, computer, household appliances, and vehicles Have you purchased and owned?
I’d be willing to bet my new survive knife that you have purchased and therefore supported a company that has some history of moral bankruptcy .

You dig deep enough, sure. Probably

But this company’s issues are fairly well known, well documented, have persisted nearly a decade with the same lies told year after year.


That whataboutism is a false equivalence.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

And sorry for really doubling down on this, but lets just review:

Your strategy is to treat the company like a hostile enterprise.
1) improve your chances of getting a knife by only buying in stock knives
2) buy using PayPal, because it's pretty likely you're going to get hosed one way or another.

Yeah. That's who I want to do business with.

I'd rather pay $300 dollars for the chance to see them walking their personal belongings out to their cars.

I would consider it “hedging my bets” or making sure I don’t end up in the pool of people that haven’t received a refund in years. I’m not blind to the negative publicity and reputation survive has had in the past, but the past is not ALWAYS indicative of the future. Just for a moment, forget the aversion you have about their past, would you say their product is a good one?

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

You dig deep enough, sure. Probably

But this company’s issues are fairly well known, well documented, have persisted nearly a decade with the same lies told year after year.


That whataboutism is a false equivalence.

You have personally had experience with the shortcomings of survive knives? If so, what happened in your particular situation?

 

[EngrSorenson]

I would consider it “hedging my bets” or making sure I don’t end up in the pool of people that haven’t received a refund in years. I’m not blind to the negative publicity and reputation survive has had in the past, but the past is not ALWAYS indicative of the future. Just for a moment, forget the aversion you have about their past, would you say their product is a good one?

In light of Blues' moderator comment, I'll just limit it to this:

If I were to vouch for a company, it'd be a company that doesn't require people to "hedge their bets".

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

There is a difference between purchasing something from a company that you discover is morally bankrupt post purchase and purchasing from a company you have discovered is morally bankrupt.

Either way the dollars spent go towards supporting the company, regardless of the consumers moral compass and knowledge of the company’s past.

 

[benchwarmer380]

I would consider it “hedging my bets” or making sure I don’t end up in the pool of people that haven’t received a refund in years. I’m not blind to the negative publicity and reputation survive has had in the past, but the past is not ALWAYS indicative of the future. Just for a moment, forget the aversion you have about their past, would you say their product is a good one?

The issue with this thought experiment is that it is not their past but how they currently run their business. The open orders from nearly a decade ago is a clear indicator of this.

To my understanding, the quality of their product has never really been an issue.

You have personally had experience with the shortcomings of survive knives? If so, what happened in your particular situation?

Nope. Don't need to to be aware of their shortcomings.

 

[PirateSeulb]

Either way the dollars spent go towards supporting the company, regardless of the consumers moral compass and knowledge of the company’s past.

My point is the making a choice ignorant of the impact is a different topic than one made when you are aware.