Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

[Triton]

This. I don't trust them and am mystified as to why anyone would.

 

[Triton]

I believe this because this is my 3rd knife from Survive. I also have one of their early model GSO 5.1 in 3v and a GSO 12 in 3v and they contend really well with some of the other knives I have in those categories. In your opinion, how would you compare a Survive knife to something like Bark River?

Now there's a cage match of crap! Survive vs Bark River, who will be the ultimate shysters!!!? Let's get ready to rumble!

 

[Triton]

Yes I completely agree with that statement. Whether the choice was made in ignorance or awareness, the choice made and money spent will have equal supporting effect in furtherance of the company.
Imagine how many people in criminal court would be found not guilty if there was a such thing as “not guilty by reason of ignorance”.

Here’s the thing, as long as the company still exists and is in business, there’s still some chance that the extremely backlogged buyers will eventually get their orders. Telling people not to buy knives from Survive, decreases their chance for sales which also decreases their viability to stay in business, and will lead to them closing thereby guaranteeing that those backlogged buyers will never get their orders. From what I understand, they’re an LLC and if it falls apart and goes bankrupt, the owners won’t incur any damages. If there is no money available because of all the issues they’ve had in the past, they will have liquidate all Survive assets and absolutely no one with unfulfilled orders will get their order or their money back. It’s in the best interest of the backlogged customers that Survive stays open, and that’s coming from a purely selfish consumer perspective, which everyone has the right to, especially if you have skin in the game.

Hmm now that line of reasoning sounds familiar....

So your theory is that you are actually doing all those being screwed a favor by continuing to support a band of obvious hucksters. Abject Testament is that you?

 

[Triton]

Does this line of BS sound strangely familiar to anyone? I am not going to go full conspiracy theorist here, but the responses and persistent arguing are very similar to what has been posted here before...

I should have read the whole thread. I noticed the same thing.

 

[Enzo’s Woodshop]

Yes I completely agree with that statement. Whether the choice was made in ignorance or awareness, the choice made and money spent will have equal supporting effect in furtherance of the company.
Imagine how many people in criminal court would be found not guilty if there was a such thing as “not guilty by reason of ignorance”.

Here’s the thing, as long as the company still exists and is in business, there’s still some chance that the extremely backlogged buyers will eventually get their orders. Telling people not to buy knives from Survive, decreases their chance for sales which also decreases their viability to stay in business, and will lead to them closing thereby guaranteeing that those backlogged buyers will never get their orders. From what I understand, they’re an LLC and if it falls apart and goes bankrupt, the owners won’t incur any damages. If there is no money available because of all the issues they’ve had in the past, they will have liquidate all Survive assets and absolutely no one with unfulfilled orders will get their order or their money back. It’s in the best interest of the backlogged customers that Survive stays open, and that’s coming from a purely selfish consumer perspective, which everyone has the right to, especially if you have skin in the game.

Sunk Cost Fallacy. Look it up. That’s what you’re arguing for.

 

[toker]

If it’s not too much trouble, can you tell me where the April 7, 2023 pie chart is located? I didn’t see anything like that on their website but I may be looking in the wrong spot.

It's on Survive's own website under Production Schedule. They used to update it every month, but now they just randomly update it when they feel like it. If you're happy with your purchase and their turnaround time, that's fair. Unfortunately, the only reason that the current batch of knives is shipping is because the blades had issues and they decided to cerakote them and sell them. Meaning that the people that originally were supposed to get their knives are now waiting longer.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...st-in-the-hall-of-shame.1613748/post-21877805

Take a look at their production and backorders. Note that they continually promise that all backorders will be complete in XX months and they constantly miss their own deadline. Rinse and repeat.

 

[SimplyMinded]

SK has always managed to get a few knives into people's hands. Usually just enough to get a few people on knife forums making comments and keeping hope alive for the poor schmucks that have waited for years. It's part of their "business model". I think they learned it from the legal lottery system.
Poor schmuck: "I paid $100 for lottery tickets, didn't win anything. I'm sick of this. Never again!"
News media: MAN WINS $1B POWERBALL!
Poor schmuck: "Wow! That coulda been me! Gotta get some lottery tickets!"
The moral of the story is a few people actually get their SK knives. It could be you but chances are very high it won't be.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Take a look at their production and backorders. Note that they continually promise that all backorders will be complete in XX months and they constantly miss their own deadline. Rinse and repeat.

Yup- that’s why I don’t feel like I have a “confirmation bias”. It’d be like saying I have a confirmation bias toward gravity. The data speaks for itself. There’s no reason it should take 8 years to complete the GSO 10s & 12s, except that it was inconvenient for them to do so.

 

[rightsideup]

Does this line of BS sound strangely familiar to anyone? I am not going to go full conspiracy theorist here, but the responses and persistent arguing are very similar to what has been posted here before...

Yup... *wink* *wink* there's a fox in the henhouse... lol. I think they've made it beyond obvious.

 

[craytab]

If any of y’all can find it in your heart to forgive the previous delays and seemingly poor practices of Survive’s past and look to their future,

Lots pf people have done that, and are still waiting years for knives. Glad you got yours but know that it was on the backs of those who've paid before you. The con only works if they occasionally deliver, in order to entice new customers. The old "see, they've turned it around" argument has been used for almost a decade now.

At the end of the day, I don't advise anyone give their money to thieving conartists. Even if you luckily get yours, its the principal of the thing.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

It's on Survive's own website under Production Schedule. They used to update it every month, but now they just randomly update it when they feel like it. If you're happy with your purchase and their turnaround time, that's fair. Unfortunately, the only reason that the current batch of knives is shipping is because the blades had issues and they decided to cerakote them and sell them. Meaning that the people that originally were supposed to get their knives are now waiting longer.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...st-in-the-hall-of-shame.1613748/post-21877805

Take a look at their production and backorders. Note that they continually promise that all backorders will be complete in XX months and they constantly miss their own deadline. Rinse and repeat.

So if I figure out how to take the cerakote off, there should still be decarburization on the blade? I thought the 0.17 GSO 5.1s were the blanks that were effected by the decarburization. The one I got is the 0.19” GSO 5.1.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

Yup... *wink* *wink* there's a fox in the henhouse... lol. I think they've made it beyond obvious.

I have an extra sheet of tinfoil you can borrow lol.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

Lots pf people have done that, and are still waiting years for knives. Glad you got yours but know that it was on the backs of those who've paid before you. The con only works if they occasionally deliver, in order to entice new customers. The old "see, they've turned it around" argument has been used for almost a decade now.

At the end of the day, I don't advise anyone give their money to thieving conartists. Even if you luckily get yours, its the principal of the thing.

Ok fair enough, but do you apply that principle to every facet of your life and purchases? How many things do you benefit from and have the privilege of that were built on the backs of people who paid dearly before you?

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

Yup- that’s why I don’t feel like I have a “confirmation bias”. It’d be like saying I have a confirmation bias toward gravity. The data speaks for itself. There’s no reason it should take 8 years to complete the GSO 10s & 12s, except that it was inconvenient for them to do so.

……Gravity is a law, applied equally and indiscriminately, hence the Law of Gravity lol. There can’t The Law of Failure of Survive Knives applied here since there’s more fulfilled orders than unfulfilled.

 

[EngrSorenson]

Ok fair enough, but do you apply that principle to every facet of your life and purchases? How many things do you benefit from and have the privilege of that were built on the backs of people who paid dearly before you?

I would expect that a place that's passionate about knives (Blade Forums) would naturally elevate issues surrounding knives, sales of knives, and ethics in the community.
Most of us have a lot of experience with knives we consider great, so the fact that S!K makes a good product isn't as significant as how they conduct their business.

If S!K went belly up today, people buying S!K would move on and buy another product and be just as happy, if not more so because they'll avoid the S!K drama altogether.
S!K is infinitely replaceable, especially at the 300 dollar price point and their track record.

 

[EngrSorenson]

……Gravity is a law, applied equally and indiscriminately, hence the Law of Gravity lol. There can’t The Law of Failure of Survive Knives applied here since there’s more fulfilled orders than unfulfilled.

Phew, it's a good thing you explained that to me, or I might have not understood I was embellishing for effect.

S!K has established a pattern, one that's been going on for longer than a decade.
They have a hard time delivering on their promises, and they're not trustworthy.
The tiger hasn't changed its stripes.

 

[toker]

Ok fair enough, but do you apply that principle to every facet of your life and purchases? How many things do you benefit from and have the privilege of that were built on the backs of people who paid dearly before you?

This argument would make sense if there were no other alternatives. It's a knife. You can pick any number of brands in made in the US that don't have the unscrupulous practices that Survive has.

Why would anyone want to defend a brand that continues to take new orders while refusing to fulfill previous orders? Especially given that it's coming up on a decade for orders unfulfilled.

So if I figure out how to take the cerakote off, there should still be decarburization on the blade? I thought the 0.17 GSO 5.1s were the blanks that were effected by the decarburization. The one I got is the 0.19” GSO 5.1.

Cerakote is really tough. So unless you have a blasting cabinet or pay someone to do it, it's not going to come off easily. Even then, the blade is still going to look bad since it's not finished. I would just use the knife and not think twice about it.

 

[EngrSorenson]

This argument would make sense if there were no other alternatives. It's a knife. You can pick any number of brands in made in the US that don't have the unscrupulous practices that Survive has.

Why would anyone want to defend a brand that continues to take new orders while refusing to fulfill previous orders? Especially given that it's coming up on a decade for orders unfulfilled.

Ding ding ding... we have a winner.

Survive might make a great knife, but who the heck cares when you can buy a great knife from lots of places?

The people in 2015 who ordered a GSO 10 or 12, however... they actually don't have a great knife.

 

[toker]

The people in 2015 who ordered a GSO 10 or 12, however... they actually don't have a great knife.

That's the most ridiculous part about Survive's situation.

The fact that S! can't take a few weeks or month to actually complete old orders. They're in the 97%+ for completion rate and can't be bothered to make a few dozen knives to clean up their reputation. That alone should raise red flags about the financial health of the company. They can't stop taking new orders to keep afloat.

Not to mention that S! is one of a handful of companies that actually did something egregious enough to earn a sticky on the Feedback forum.

 

[Tools_and_Tights]

Phew, it's a good thing you explained that to me, or I might have not understood I was embellishing for effect.

S!K has established a pattern, one that's been going on for longer than a decade.
They have a hard time delivering on their promises, and they're not trustworthy.
The tiger hasn't changed its stripes.

Ok, so other than taking a dump on them on a forum, what’s a real and viable solution to ensure from the consumer standpoint that those orders get fulfilled? Is there legal action that can be taken?