Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

I’ve been wondering where the money is going to some from for independent testing of these knives if he can’t even refund peoples money.

Nobody needs money when you have YouTube metallurgists! The debate is now settled as far as I'm concerned.

Crystal Structure

Hint: There is no crystal structure in PM steels. The cost of Whiterock1865's "advanced degree in materials science" should be refunded just like the knives from 2016 that haven't been delivered.
 
Yea he had a good thing going and a loyal fan base. Minimal work putting together basically kit knives from different manufacturers. A solid product for a good price, yet his greed and deceitful nature got the best of him.
I hope everyone with unfulfilled orders can get their refunds from this clown.

Wild seeing him throw Larrin under the bus, I've got many magnacut and 3v knives from custom to production with none of these issues he's crying about. I recommend architect knives for a similiar style. They are just as good, often better, and you actually recieve them. Just ordered an ak 5.5 in magnacut, my 4.5 in magnacut is a champ. No bs ,no excuses they get you a quality product within 3-5 days.
The best thing about Survive knives is that people have found better knives and better people to do business with.
 
Nobody needs money when you have YouTube metallurgists! The debate is now settled as far as I'm concerned.

Crystal Structure

Hint: There is no crystal structure in PM steels. The cost of Whiterock1865's "advanced degree in materials science" should be refunded just like the knives from 2016 that haven't been delivered.
There is certainly a crystal structure to PM steels it’s still steel just manufactured to have an even distribution of elements.
 
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You can call me a shill for trying to be balanced on this issue and I will not take offense because: 1. You don't know me. 2. Even if you did, I am at the point in my life where I'm past worrying about what ankle biters think of me. So there's that. :)

I own four Survive knives that were produced in the past year. I purchased one from Survive and the rest were purchased from a click-and-mortar store. I did have an order for a GSO 5.1 in Magnacut but cancelled it and received a refund. From the advice of others who posted here, I went through my credit card company to get the refund.

I can say the quality of his work is outstanding, it just is. When I compare his work against some highly respected knife makers here on BF, or from other larger makers in my collection, I am very impressed. But none of that matters because of the extensive backlog he has allowed to build. And his lack of concern with getting his oldest orders completed is arrogance to the nth degree. He reminds me of these characters you see in movies who are gifted but lack any empathy for others. He justifies this because "they will see the value in the end." I've listened to him talk about the GSO 10 and 12 blades. The reason it is taking so long to get them done is because they are difficult to make and he doesn't want to spend the time to get them done. He has mentioned that he charged too little for them and continued work on them just means more money lost. That's his problem and he should not be making his customers wait because he doesn't want to eat the cost.

As far as the latest issue about the voids and inclusions in the knife, I think NSM could be making the steel in a way that introduces the problems. I've worked in other industries where everyone is pushed to get some product delivered. People will start taking shortcuts to get there, especially if there is a huge financial incentive. Maybe that has happened here. And the fact that other knifemakers haven't said anything doesn't disprove his arguments. These manufacturers who have to work with NSM because they are not big enough to work directly with CPM may be getting batches of steel that are kind of dodgy too. Because most of their steel comes from CPM/NSM, they can't afford to get on their bad side. But Guy could be lying about this too. His credibility is about as good as the sh!t in my septic tank right now.
11 years. That is how long Guy has been selling knives to customers and promising lead times that he knows he will not meet. That is also how long Guy has been telling customers that ask for updates that their order will be filled "soon' while knowing that is not going to happen. For many years, Guy and Ellie have been ignoring most emails and calls from customers that have given them money. They have also refused to process almost every refund. Nothing that he does (that includes making a few nice knives) excuses this. His business appears to be a house of cards, and MANY customers from 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and this year are waiting for knives that were supposed to be done "in a few months."

To put it another way, Guy lies. No one else is having the issues with CPM steel that Guy is having. His story about CPM sounds fishy at best, and he does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 
You can call me a shill for trying to be balanced on this issue and I will not take offense because: 1. You don't know me. 2. Even if you did, I am at the point in my life where I'm past worrying about what ankle biters think of me. So there's that. :)

I own four Survive knives that were produced in the past year. I purchased one from Survive and the rest were purchased from a click-and-mortar store. I did have an order for a GSO 5.1 in Magnacut but cancelled it and received a refund. From the advice of others who posted here, I went through my credit card company to get the refund.

I can say the quality of his work is outstanding, it just is. When I compare his work against some highly respected knife makers here on BF, or from other larger makers in my collection, I am very impressed. But none of that matters because of the extensive backlog he has allowed to build. And his lack of concern with getting his oldest orders completed is arrogance to the nth degree. He reminds me of these characters you see in movies who are gifted but lack any empathy for others. He justifies this because "they will see the value in the end." I've listened to him talk about the GSO 10 and 12 blades. The reason it is taking so long to get them done is because they are difficult to make and he doesn't want to spend the time to get them done. He has mentioned that he charged too little for them and continued work on them just means more money lost. That's his problem and he should not be making his customers wait because he doesn't want to eat the cost.

As far as the latest issue about the voids and inclusions in the knife, I think NSM could be making the steel in a way that introduces the problems. I've worked in other industries where everyone is pushed to get some product delivered. People will start taking shortcuts to get there, especially if there is a huge financial incentive. Maybe that has happened here. And the fact that other knifemakers haven't said anything doesn't disprove his arguments. These manufacturers who have to work with NSM because they are not big enough to work directly with CPM may be getting batches of steel that are kind of dodgy too. Because most of their steel comes from CPM/NSM, they can't afford to get on their bad side. But Guy could be lying about this too. His credibility is about as good as the sh!t in my septic tank right now.

Being balanced and giving benefit of doubt is one thing. However, you can't look past the long history survive has with issues and the flat out crazy behavior guy is exhibiting. One, two, three issues might be excusable, but over a decade of constant issues at every turn? Guy is the problem, not the "issues".

The way a con-artists works is to look for those willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Don't fall for it. Look at the history.
 
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I bought 4 knivers from them that were in stock, and got all of them within 15 days. I bought 2 preorders, never got them, got refund from paypal after few months of waiting.... I agree they are full of BS, but lets not make up stories.
You have been saying this over and over, and honestly, ruined your rep here in doing so. I'll just point out again that just because you had one experience, does not change the fact that most others have had a very different experience, and in fact, that your continued knowing support of a con-artists is the reason other people are getting their money stolen.
 
Remember I'm a spectator in this.
If so, and you aren't just acting a troll....

I love a good drama.
Then go review the history on Survive. Should take you a while and there is lots of good drama. Like the time 7 or so years ago an anonymous benefactor came on here to defend survive and claimed to loan them a significant amount of money since at the time paypal froze all their funds because of so many refund requests after years of not delivering. That was some mind blowing drama here on our little forum!

Point being, don't walk in dancing on the line of troll, claiming to want to know more, when the wealth of information to satiate all your desires is out there. Look at the history, do your research, save your salacious comments, unless you are here to troll.
 
Also lets face it funding or no a legal battle is likely to bring to light the crooked and/or negligent aspects of his "business" which would probably be worse for him than most the options he does have.
This right here is why guy should shut his yap. If someone does take him to court, or he them, that discovery is going to unearth some shit.
 
Given the demand for magnacut I could believe a bad batch got out. In one of the DBK videos they had a Barkriver magancut blade break. To me it almost looked like there was a void in the steel too. But to say it's all the CPM steels...I have to believe other people would be talking about it.
So if it's not the steel, what could they be doing wrong that would cause voids in the middle of the steel??? It all seems like pretty standard stuff, water jet, grinder, cnc machines, Peters heat treat.
Unlike most of the people on here I wanted to see them get it together, and everyone get the knives they had ordered. Everyday it looks worse and worse now.
BarkRiver has more than their own share of issues. Business practices are shit. Mislabeled steel. Horrible quality control. I'd put no weight in anything done with their product, as evidence for or against any source material they might use.
 
Anyone defending Survive! Knives needs to go back and read one of the many previous discussions on Guys business practices here on BladeForums. Going back a decade.

You can drop into anyone one of them and it reads like today. You can't tell the discussion isn't current. Late delivery of "In Stock" knives, no response to requests for a refund, blaming everyone and their mother for his problems........

There's a continuous line of shills- Just the names change since eventually even the most ardent supporters gets disgusted with Guy + Survive Knives!

The "Guy" has blamed literally everyone and everything for His problems. Always being reborn, turning the corner, taking the steps to succeed.

There's 1 person to blame for all this- Guy himself. There's 1 person responsible for all this- Guy himself.

Please continue with the march of shills. You're the ones responsible for the buyers being hung out to dry when this drama finally closes.
 
Their FB is cratering. They can’t keep up with editing the posts asking ‘where is my knife I ordered and paid for 3 years ago’.
BBB =F
 
On Instagram you can report their account as being “Misleading or possible scam”. Since so many have over the years and today have been mislead, if enough reports are filed, IG can limit their account or put a block/ban on it to limit them from advertising any sales.

Report filed. Imagine if someone looked into their account and saw the amount of comments being deleted, they’ll most likely be able to see those comments just like the mods can see all the edits made to posts here.
 
On Instagram you can report their account as being “Misleading or possible scam”. Since so many have over the years and today have been mislead, if enough reports are filed, IG can limit their account or put a block/ban on it to limit them from advertising any sales.

Report filed.
Great ideal..I’ll go do this now. Maybe something similar can be done with fb
 
those videos......just wow.

guy is the grand Marshall of both the drama queen parade and the arsehole parade......
 
Like in the Great Depression, people are smelling blood in the water. Here comes the run on Survive!.

Guy has always thinly veiled his weak position with some marketing lingo and faux transparency to bolster buyer confidence. Finally he’s letting on that the lights are being kept on by a generator out back and now the people with preorders are getting antsy.

Sadly, there will be no, “I told you so” moment here. Guy will defend to the death that he’s a victim, and the worshippers at the idol of S!K will believe him. The rest of us will know why his business faltered, so at least there’s that.
 
It's clear that, when the inevitable end comes, it will be BF and St Guy's detractors that caused this not his own lies, obfuscation and general incompetence !
 
In the comments Guy is saying that he’s going to visit Niagara Specialty Metals next week to get his samples back.
 
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