Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

craytab said:
Ha! No. But you already knew that asking the question. Good fun!
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They would be accepting stolen property from a company with a questionable record and ownership. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those who are owed knives simply started calling them and demanding they release and return their property. Who owns the knives sold to BHQ, Survive or the customers who have already fully paid for those same items?

BHQ would be acting like a pawn dealer who knowingly accepts stolen goods. If I were owed a knife I would just place BHQ on notice of my interest in Survive's assets. The only reason that is not happening formally, through the legal system, is that these are small claims.

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unwisefool said:
How does he seem to keep getting the shittiest materials on the face of the planet? There seems to always be something wrong with their supplies.
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It's because it's far easier for him to mess up a lot of materials because he's not really good at making thousands of the same thing, all to exacting tolerances, and then just blame materials suppliers in lengthy screeds to his cult followers, because those suppliers aren't there to set the record straight.
 
not2sharp said:
They would be accepting stolen property from a company with a questionable record and ownership. I wouldn't be surprised if many of those who are owed knives simply started calling them and demanding they release and return their property. Who owns the knives sold to BHQ, Survive or the customers who have already fully paid for those same items?

BHQ would be acting like a pawn dealer who knowingly accepts stolen goods. If I were owed a knife I would just place BHQ on notice of my interest in Survive's assets. The only reason that is not happening formally, through the legal system, is that these are small claims.

n2s
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They aren't accepting stolen property. Survive owns the knives. Survive OWES the people who have paid and are waiting a knife or a refund. For example, say I place an order for a new Explorer. There is a delay and it's going to be a few months. I can't go to a different dealer and say hey, Ford owes me an SUV, give that one to me, I consider it stolen because I haven't received mine yet.
 
unwisefool said:
They aren't accepting stolen property. Survive owns the knives. Survive OWES the people who have paid and are waiting a knife or a refund. For example, say I place an order for a new Explorer. There is a delay and it's going to be a few months. I can't go to a different dealer and say hey, Ford owes me an SUV, give that one to me, I consider it stolen because I haven't received mine yet.
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If Survive has exceeded the contracted deliverable date and has not returned or offered a refund on a timely basis, they have effectively stolen from the customer. This is not a normal business transaction pending delivery.

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not2sharp said:
If Survive has exceeded the contracted deliverable date and has not returned or offered a refund on a timely basis, they have effectively stolen from the customer. This is not a normal business transaction pending delivery.

n2s
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I understand that. But someone doesn't get to go to a dealer of theirs and demand a knife. That's what I'm trying to make you understand. It's not stolen property.
 
S!K is probably planning on running batches to supply BHQ like they are doing with the black scout survival youtube guy. S!K has done two 500 count runs that sell out in hours for him. Those pictures on instagram showing tables full of finished knives are going somewhere.... The single knife customer gets to wait months/years while he knocks out those large runs.
 
GutWrench said:
They have done the BSS-5 and a 6 for them. Two 500ct runs.
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Yep, kinda goes back to what I was saying a few pages ago about people getting to watch as something they paid for was set aside and went unmade in favor of new products because new products means new cash flow, because that felon scumbag and his wife spent all the money from those old orders on their personal bills, eating, vacations, and that dumb hotel building instead of what it was meant for: creating a product. The fact that this guy has undelivered knives from six years ago is hilarious to me.
 
Hanne762 said:
In the left hand side of the video. Why are they cutting circles if what they're making are knife blanks? That would be a lot of wasted material for no good reason. It might be kydex for sheaths, but even then, seems suspicious. In fact that looks a lot like a blank for a pressed piece of cookware or some other implement. They could be throwing in a free Dutch oven for everybody who's waited but I doubt it. In CNC machining the cutter moves, not the metal. There's no reason not to use every bit of the material possible.
I'm firmly in the "rented set" camp now.
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I figured that were construction material to du with ventilation systems since that walls look unfinished I figured the location is still under construction and building materials could easily be left laying around. The size holes in and the thinness of those sheets fits for some type of duct work and junction box.

CataD said:
Didn't notice that, good catch. I had to watch the video to see... just a guess, but those might be plates of handle material that they cut to get usable parts of it. Looks like they posted a new video where they show a big plate of messed up linen...
. They do make their own handles, he has showed them being made in the past.

Btw, they don't make their own sheaths (not sure who makes them now, but they're very good). In the past, I know Kiah used to make them, but I'm pretty sure he's not anymore. His sheaths were awesome!
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That video is sort of a step in the right direction giving behind the scenes videos could really help their reputation with those who don't believe they have made the turn for better. Showing excuses isn't really better than the excuses they have posted or sent in newsletters it just looks like the boy who cried wolf trying to say look here is a picture of a wolf I'm not lying. They need to do some videos showing successful work to instill confidence that they can do the work.


I don't know if they really are trying and have been just terrible at business but I know I would prefer incompetence to dishonesty.
 
Sincerely sorry to read about folks getting screwed, but I will say this is one of the fastest 60 page reads on a forum. What a horrible train wreck.

what an interesting concept- the Never-ending Backorder. Bold move.

At this rate some customers will expire before their order is fulfilled. I wonder how they’d get refunds? Or when you buy from these guys, do you declare next of kin?

sounds like a death spiral to me.
 
Quiet said:
Priced their product too low? How do you figure? Up until VERY recently (and I'm not convinced this isn't still the case), Guy was having every(!) element (!!!) of his friggin' product made by other people!!! Go back and read through the now-closed S?K archived section. Survive?Knives wasn't:

- Cutting or forging their own knives
- Heat treating their own knives
- Making their own sheathes
- Making their own handle scales

Guy is a scumbag who was essentially taking years to bolt parts that other companies made together, and put an edge on it and ship out. Simple as that. So, I'd say they were priced about right for what they were, glorified kit knives.

The number of sackwashers in those old threads talking about how he was such a "perfectionist" and that "takes time" when sharpening a knife on a jig is one of the easiest and quickest things to do, is mindboggling. I don't know how people could be that stupid.

Also, I don't care how many pics of machines they post up, I don't think they're making anything themselves to this day.
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An insult to scumbags everywhere…
 
I only saw this thread because it's been the highlighted thread for quite a while. Thanks to fellow BF members for the warning. I've never heard of the company before, but I'll make sure to avoid them completely in the future. What a perfect storm of incompetence, dishonesty and lack of integrity.
 
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