Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Insipid Moniker said:
Ad hominem is a tactic in which I dismiss your argument based on a personal attack, what I did was simply an insult to a hypothetical poster. I not shocked that you're so unfamiliar with the fallacy that you can't spell it.

Meanwhile, bringing up accusations of strawmen and deflection without any logic or evidence to back either up does, actually, come fairly close to an ad hominem argument.

My search the thread pops up as the sixth entry halfway down the first page of Google.

So in short, you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to logical fallacies, you indulge in them yourself, and you're still trying to blame others for the clear failings of Survive.
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Well, remember. You're expecting a logical response from the same guy who was like "You guys making fun of Guy are just being ridiculous!" right after he was like "I'm totally NOT defending Guy or S?K!". Same guy who was like "Oh wow, this company can't seem to take care of their members" and then was like "I think I'll put in an order for my entire shop, they'll be here by Christmas!" in some weak attempt to thumb his nose at us detractors. Comical, really.

So, it's clear you're dealing with someone working through some internal issues at the moment. Of course, as usual, you know it's over when they start throwing down the Logical Fallacy Uno cards instead of an actual response. 🤦‍♂️
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Ad hominem is a tactic in which I dismiss your argument based on a personal attack
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Wrong, try again.

Insipid Moniker said:
I not shocked that you're so unfamiliar with the fallacy that you can't spell it.
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I think you mean I'm or I am, right? Good effort.

Insipid Moniker said:
Meanwhile, bringing up accusations of strawmen and deflection without any logic or evidence to back either up does, actually, come fairly close to an ad hominem argument.
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Wrong.
Insipid Moniker said:
My search the thread pops up as the sixth entry halfway down the first page of Google.
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Neat. What exactly did you type into the search bar?
 
AbjectTestament said:
Wrong, try again.



I think you mean I'm or I am, right? Good effort.


Wrong.

Neat. What exactly did you type into the search bar?
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Whatever shall I do when confronted by such bulletproof logic as you typing 'wrong'!

All you've done with this is confirmed exactly what I said. You don't understand argumentum ad hominem and you have no logic or evidence to back your arguments, so you're reduced to simply screaming, "Nuh-uh!" like a child.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Whatever shall I do when confronted by such bulletproof logic as you typing 'wrong'!

All you've done with this is confirmed exactly what I said. You don't understand argumentum ad hominem and you have no logic or evidence to back your arguments, so you're reduced to simply screaming, "Nuh-uh!" like a child.
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He's paging through the Logical Fallacy page as fast as he can, looking for a way to refute this right now. Of course, his response is going to boil down to some form of: "NO, YUUU!"
 
AbjectTestament said:
Try to criticize my spelling while making your own spelling mistake? That's a classic.


Sure it was ;)

So what phrase did you search and what platform did you use?
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So you have no actual argument or understanding of logical fallacies? No rejoinder or explanation as to what argumentum ad hominem means? Why am I stunningly unsurprised.

Instead of attempting to weakly interrogate me, why don't you provide some evidence of your own, like screenshots of your search results?
 
Insipid Moniker said:
So you have no actual argument or understanding of logical fallacies? No rejoinder or explanation as to what argumentum ad hominem means? Why am I stunningly unsurprised.

Instead of attempting to weakly interrogate me, why don't you provide some evidence of your own, like screenshots of your search results?
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More deflection? I asked you a simple question. What phrase did you search on what search engine?
 
LastRodeo said:
Google search results vary from person to person based on your preferences and history. Let's not let what this detract from the purpose of this thread.
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He's gotta do something to distract from the fact that his entire schtick has been to defend Survive and talk about their rosy future whilst denying that he's doing so. Although, the latest tactic of accusing customers waiting six years for their order of enabling the company, rather than acknowledging the malfeasance on the part of Survive is both a new tactic and a new low.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Beg.

I'll make it easy, post screenshots confirming your claims and showing your search parameters and I'll answer you.
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I have a really good idea why you're afraid to answer a straightforward question. No problem ;)

LastRodeo said:
Google search results vary from person to person based on your preferences and history. Let's not let this detract from the purpose of this thread.
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Of course, it will differ somewhat between people.

He stated this thread was the 6th hit on Google for him (and a top result). I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest I've searched Survive! Knives considerably more than him yet Survive! Knives review shows up on the 4th page halfway down the page and it isn't even this thread but the one I highlighted. This 90 page, almost 1800 message long thread never showed up for me after 10 pages.

YMMV but I find it's interesting to see a cross-section of results. What shows up if you punch in a review for survive knives?
 
Hell, I'll even bite. I searched, "survive knives" on a Google Pixel 6 and discounted the three paid ads at the top (Survive's site, Facebook page and a dealer carrying them).

But even if I'm dead wrong and Bladeforums threads are all buried on the 974th page of Google, it's STILL not the customer's responsibility to spend their resources hounding a company to deliver a bought and paid for product, and THAT'S what you're desperately trying to distract from.

You're trying to frame this as somehow Survive being innocent, because their customers didn't harass them enough to get the knives that they paid for in full.
 
I think it is fair to say that Perish! knives are a stinking hot mess of lies and deceit. I am sure they are sending out "some" blades to keep the lights on but the Stockholm Syndrome is strong here that so many have not simply looked for their money back. For *me* the $s would not break me if lost but at the same time principle kicks in. I was bored on the weekend and read some of the threads in their shuttered forum, their grand announcements and many of the other comments have not aged well at all nor has the slings and arrows directed at those back as far as 2017 who questioned the narrative. I do feel for *some* of the fans from that period who went all in with their support only to be made fools of by the company.

They say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" and that *could* be how this mess started but now, with YEARS old orders outstanding, material and heat treat changes that fundamentally alter the product and vague (at the absolute best) production schedules, most all would be best served if they refunded the outstanding $s to all concerned, sold up their plant and sold their "designs" (not that they are worth much honestly) to a maker with the capacity to produce them. The hole they are in seems to be getting deeper each week.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
He's gotta do something to distract from the fact that his entire schtick has been to defend Survive and talk about their rosy future whilst denying that he's doing so. Although, the latest tactic of accusing customers waiting six years for their order of enabling the company, rather than acknowledging the malfeasance on the part of Survive is both a new tactic and a new low.
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Ah yes, victim shaming. I mean, it's Shill Playbook Chapter...hold on (flips pages of a purloined copy) Two.

Chapter One is "Deny, Deny, Deny", for the record.

🤣
 
I just stumbled across the tube channel.
Learned two things.
1- not using d3v because can’t be arsed
2- faked transit damage to create “seconds”

But hey, there all caught up 😂
 
AbjectTestament said:
I have a really good idea why you're afraid to answer a straightforward question. No problem ;)
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I’ll play for a little bit, personally I think you’re borderline trolling… blaming members for SK’s behavior is idiotic at best.

Google “SURVIVE! Knives complaints”, top two are BBB complaints with the following BF’s thread at number 4.

Survive knives forum should be closed

Kevin, Survive! Knives represent this forum negatively in several ways. When new people come to bladeforums and search through our manufacturer list, they see survive! knives and are unaware of all the shenanigans the company has pulled through the years. They have customers waiting for...
www.bladeforums.com www.bladeforums.com

The thread above is one of many negative threads in GBU concerning SK’s business practices.

They had their sub forum shut down for a reason… it wasn’t voluntary on their part, they were kicked to the curb for continuing to run the Ponzi scheme that allows them to stay in business.

Despite their forum being closed, Guy and Ellie are both still members here, I’ve pointed that out before and even tagged them so members could view their profile.

You would think with their company being trashed on a consistent and well deserved basis that perhaps they would come on BF’s and defend their good name… instead the occasional shill such as yourself shows up and makes the attempt for them… honestly it’s quite pathetic.
 
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