The Bears' Den--Shirogorov Showcase

ChazzyP · Nov 25, 2016

MaxFactor said:
The first one is most definitely a Shirogorov Bears Club (USN based) edition Neon Ultralite. Look closely at the bear emblem. The two halves of the face are S and B.

Second one looks very similar to that blue twill CD F3 but looks more like it's od green or black micarta.

Third one is an F5 Slim.

I'm not familiar with the F5 line nor the Slim, Max. Is that a CD run or limited edition or what?

MaxFactor · Nov 25, 2016

ChazzyP said:
I'm not familiar with the F5 line nor the Slim, Max. Is that a CD run or limited edition or what?

Most definitely a Custom Division model. I guess it has 3D machined scales, 3.5mm blade with what they call their 5/6ths grind, and the single-row roller bearings system (SRRBS)

Here's a link to a short review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjI1iqQ8Ex0

Edit:

Picture with one of the newer info cards. The Ф-5 is F-5 in the English alphabet. While it says F-5 Slim, I'm not sure I've seen any "non-Slim" F5s.

ChazzyP · Nov 25, 2016

Most definitely a stunner, too, Max. Thanks for the link to that short-but-sweet youtube vid by Vlad. I like watching his stuff--you see the knife, you observe the action, you get some specs, and see ya later! He does a good job with those and he sure treated me right finding and delivering my 95T. I'm just blown away by that knife and it's pretty much been in my pocket or hand since I got it.

Cjwknives · Nov 25, 2016

ChazzyP said:
I see you found us over here, CJW. The knives you posted and named for me over at Ted's Thread are really sweet and I think at least two of these are different.

The top one here is a Shirogorov Bears limited edition, no? Is that group over at USN?
Middle one is your blue twill CD F3?
And the last perhaps a CD 95?

I'll have to check out your vids over at IG.

Yes on the first two and the last is that Silk Slim. Very cool thread. I will post some more pics on here of my shiro's . I don't have that many but I will be getting more

Oh sorry the second one is not the carbon fiber blue twill. The second knife is the micarta Custom Division.

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sechip · Nov 25, 2016

Dertnik

Cjwknives · Nov 25, 2016

Cjwknives said:
Yes on the first two and the last is that Silk Slim. Very cool thread. I will post some more pics on here of my shiro's . I don't have that many but I will be getting more
Oh sorry the second one is not the carbon fiber blue twill. The second knife is the micarta Custom Division.

Here is the blue twill

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ChazzyP · Nov 26, 2016

Really nice pair of knives, CJ. That CD Neon is extra-sweet. I've been back and forth about picking up the Neon and actually pulled the trigger on one, but it had just sold. I struggle a bit with my old, arthritic carpenter's hands and small knives. My first Seb was a small and, though I liked it a lot, I ended up selling it as it was never a comfortable fit for me. Actually, I traded it for a ZT0450 and cash and was thinking I was likely more comfortable with a $200-ish small Ti frame-lock than having north of $700 tied up in one.

From your pics I see you have at least two Neons. How do you find the fit and ergos, or are they not something you actually use? You have a lot tied up in your higher-end Shiros and I am curious if they get carried and used or are collection pieces.

Cjwknives · Nov 27, 2016

ChazzyP said:
Really nice pair of knives, CJ. That CD Neon is extra-sweet. I've been back and forth about picking up the Neon and actually pulled the trigger on one, but it had just sold. I struggle a bit with my old, arthritic carpenter's hands and small knives. My first Seb was a small and, though I liked it a lot, I ended up selling it as it was never a comfortable fit for me. Actually, I traded it for a ZT0450 and cash and was thinking I was likely more comfortable with a $200-ish small Ti frame-lock than having north of $700 tied up in one.

From your pics I see you have at least two Neons. How do you find the fit and ergos, or are they not something you actually use? You have a lot tied up in your higher-end Shiros and I am curious if they get carried and used or are collection pieces.

So the fit on the neon for my hands are awesome I got medium to small hands though. So I could see someone with larger hands not liking the neon. I carry all my knives and the ones I have had that I didn't carry I get rid of,so these get carried and used.(my use is mostly mail and some boxes.. office job) so not hard use but use. And I love them. I actually like them so much I have been double carrying. A shiro and then another knife. The Custom Division Shiro's feel like no other knife in hand to me. They are so well built the fit and finish is second to none. I do hope the shiro prices come down but honestly good luck on that. They are amazing knives and I would tell anyone who has the money to get one. You will not be disappointed... and if you are well then sell it to me

Oh and here is a comparison of a shiro neon and a small inkosi

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PuddleMonkey · Nov 27, 2016

Crap, I don't need a Neon I need one of those larger 95T's.

marcus52AR · Nov 27, 2016

I'll take both please. Haha

I love the grind on that CD neon. The pic with the 95 makes it look smallish, and the inkosi biggish. Do you have a LG sebbie comparison pic? I have a 95 and I've been looking to add a Neon or maybe a 111.

I also carry more than one when I'm at work. This is my standard edc for the last 6 months or so.

ChazzyP · Nov 28, 2016

Cjwknives said:
I actually like them so much I have been double carrying. A shiro and then another knife.
Oh and here is a comparison of a shiro neon and a small inkosi

Hey thanks for that pic, CJW. It's definitely informative even though I've never handled a small Inkosi. My aforementioned ZT0450 is a better fit for me than my small Sebenza ever was, though it's still kinda narrow for my thick old carpenter's mitts.

Comparing specs on the various smalls, the Seb is 3/16" longer in handle and 3/8" longer overall than the Inkosi. My ZT0450's is about 1/4' bigger again in handle than the small Seb and about a 1/2' longer overall. The specs I found on the Neon have it just slightly longer than the ZT. While the ZT fits me better than the Seb did, it's pretty narrow and not particularly hand-filling. Its big brother ZT0452 has about the same shape, but is real big and fits great. One could draw a reasonable comparative similarity between the shapes of the ZT0450/0452 on the one hand and the Shiro Neon/111 on the other, the latter of which have both broader and thicker handles, so the smaller Shiro may indeed provide a better grip.

Sounds like someone's trying to talk himself into a Neon, doesn't it?

marcus52AR said:
I'll take both please. Haha

I love the grind on that CD neon. The pic with the 95 makes it look smallish, and the inkosi biggish. Do you have a LG sebbie comparison pic? I have a 95 and I've been looking to add a Neon or maybe a 111.

I also carry more than one when I'm at work. This is my standard edc for the last 6 months or so.

I'm like both you and CJW in the multiple-carry department, Marcus. Maybe not four, though, Edward Scissorhands.

I always double carry at work--a higher-end user for a cutter/parer and a beater for pulling staples, scraping, or other more abusive tasks. When off the job, if I'm carrying a really clean high-ender I'll bring along something like a user Spydie or Benchmade so I won't have to worry about scratching up my expensive knife.

For about the last year, my KnifeArt Large Sebenza was my good work carry and I really like the way it feels and cuts. Unfortunately, with CRK running their S35VN a bit softer for sharpenability, twice I developed rather deep indentations in the edge that required the removal of a pretty large amount of steel. (As a side note, I initially had the edge at 15 per side with a 20 ps micro-bevel, but returned it to 20 per side the third time around.) Pocket time started to get shared with a Wilson Combat Les George Eagle in CTS-XHP which cuts almost as well but seems more durable. That knife is a favorite too.

All this brings me to my new 95T in M390 which I bought to fit into that role as the high-end work-carry knife. I don't think I ever envisioned a time when the work-knife in my pocket cost more than my slide-compound or job-site table saw, any nail gun, or single FesTool I own, but here I am. I think I'm ready for the first scuff and already have a light handle scratch. Maybe I'll just have to get another to keep nice. Wouldn't that be just awful....

Cjwknives · Nov 28, 2016

ChazzyP said:
Hey thanks for that pic, CJW. It's definitely informative even though I've never handled a small Inkosi. My aforementioned ZT0450 is a better fit for me than my small Sebenza ever was, though it's still kinda narrow for my thick old carpenter's mitts.

Comparing specs on the various smalls, the Seb is 3/16" longer in handle and 3/8" longer overall than the Inkosi. My ZT0450's is about 1/4' bigger again in handle than the small Seb and about a 1/2' longer overall. The specs I found on the Neon have it just slightly longer than the ZT. While the ZT fits me better than the Seb did, it's pretty narrow and not particularly hand-filling. Its big brother ZT0452 has about the same shape, but is real big and fits great. One could draw a reasonable comparative similarity between the shapes of the ZT0450/0452 on the one hand and the Shiro Neon/111 on the other, the latter of which have both broader and thicker handles, so the smaller Shiro may indeed provide a better grip.

Sounds like someone's trying to talk himself into a Neon, doesn't it?

I'm like both you and CJW in the multiple-carry department, Marcus. Maybe not four, though, Edward Scissorhands. I always double carry at work--a higher-end user for a cutter/parer and a beater for pulling staples, scraping, or other more abusive tasks. When off the job, if I'm carrying a really clean high-ender I'll bring along something like a user Spydie or Benchmade so I won't have to worry about scratching up my expensive knife.

For about the last year, my KnifeArt Large Sebenza was my good work carry and I really like the way it feels and cuts. Unfortunately, with CRK running their S35VN a bit softer for sharpenability, twice I developed rather deep indentations in the edge that required the removal of a pretty large amount of steel. (As a side note, I initially had the edge at 15 per side with a 20 ps micro-bevel, but returned it to 20 per side the third time around.) Pocket time started to get shared with a Wilson Combat Les George Eagle in CTS-XHP which cuts almost as well but seems more durable. That knife is a favorite too.

All this brings me to my new 95T in M390 which I bought to fit into that role as the high-end work-carry knife. I don't think I ever envisioned a time when the work-knife in my pocket cost more than my slide-compound or job-site table saw, any nail gun, or single FesTool I own, but here I am. I think I'm ready for the first scuff and already have a light handle scratch. Maybe I'll just have to get another to keep nice. Wouldn't that be just awful....

Nice set up. I love that Shiro 95 and Reeve with micarta.looks a little like my carry for today.I hate getting scratches on my higher end knives but I have come to the realization that the only way they are not gonna get scratched is if they are safe queens. And I want to carry and use all my knives otherwise i don't want them.

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marcus52AR · Nov 28, 2016

ChazzyP yes it does seem like a lotta knives to edc, but when I'm wearing my carharts I really don't notice them.

Shiro gets about 95 percent of the use on an average day. SAK is for the tools, and the lockback GEC is my beater.

The sebbie I carry because I love it and I have the pouch for back pocket carry. Good for switching things up.

As for using your shirogorov at work I say go for it! It's been my "go to" knife at work (plumber) for over 6 months now, and it's takes wear very nicely.

And yes... I'm not only trying to talk myself into another shiro, but also out. Haha (funding)

Locutus D'Borg · Nov 28, 2016

I never heard of a Shiro axis lock. How big are they and how do I buy one?

sechip said:
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ChazzyP · Nov 28, 2016

I like those Sebs with the Micarta inlays, guys. Next time I get the CRK itch I'll scratch it with an Insigo just like yours, Marcus.

marcus52AR · Nov 28, 2016

So I wanted to freshen up my shiro.

I went heads first and started profiling. 18DPS to make life easy with the sharp maker.

Maybe 5-10 minutes...

Re-profile @ 18 and then..

Off to the races. My knife is Sharp as it gets.

For members on the 390 train... consider S90 as well. Great retention and sharpenability.

marcus52AR · Nov 28, 2016

P.S. ChazzyP that's the knife I've used most days for over a half year. Takes on a pocket wash really nice, and it's sharp! Oh I already said that.

marcus52AR · Nov 29, 2016

ChazzyP said:
I like those Sebs with the Micarta inlays, guys. Next time I get the CRK itch I'll scratch it with an Insigo just like yours, Marcus.

I love the micarta... drooling over the new Inkosi natural but I just saw the cf version! What's a guy to do?

ChazzyP · Nov 29, 2016

Locutus D'Borg said:
I never heard of a Shiro axis lock. How big are they and how do I buy one?

I've posted a few pics of my Tabargan on this thread and it's included in the group shot on the previous page. This model was discontinued, though I'm not sure when. The model # is 100NS which apparently refers to the blade length in mm's as do other Shirogorov models such as the 95T or 111. The Tabargan was succeeded by the model 110 which I believe is also now discontinued. That knife is quite similar to the 111, though with the "Axis" lock and a more prominent ricasso.

I bought my Tabargan on the Exchange here and from time-to-time the two models show up on this and other forums and at dealers that work the secondary market.