The Bears' Den--Shirogorov Showcase

I keep getting one sharper so then i gotta make the other catch up and these have gotten dramatically sharper. gotta find a phone book to try some push cutting on. Started being able to cut those little brown napkins which is a first

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the admin of the shirogorov knives official group facebook page is posting some info about the company over the month so i thought id share the first post


30 facts about Shirogorov knives which you probably did not know about

We thought we'd have a bit of pre-holiday fun and share some snippets of our everyday life. So please welcome, a list of facts about Shirogorov knives you probably did not know about.

There will be a total of 30, and they will be posted in batches of 10, each on a Shirogorov Saturday (so today, on the 14th, and on the 21st). Come back to this thread for updates
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1. We heat treat out titanium parts, several times. This helps us reach the necessary levels of both hardness and elasticity.
2. Each blade gets heat treated individually, in protective casing. Sometimes a heat treat can take over 24 hours.
3. We do not use standard datasheets for heat treatment; instead, we use our own ‘steel cooking recipes’.
4. We also heat treat pins and screws.
5. Our screws, pins and standoffs are made out of steel that some makers use to manufacture blades out of.
6. Despite the high-tech nature of a lot of processes within the workshop, the blades are still fully ground by hand.
7. After being ground on a grinder, each blade gets rubbed out on whetstones in order to remove the grinding marks. This helps us achieve the even and clean surface after the blades get stonewashed.
8. Bearing balls are sourced from an external supplier. Everything else we make in house from raw materials.
9. Our bearing balls come with a standard 1.5mm diameter regardless of the model.
10. Roller bearings are bought as rods, which we then cut at the workshop
 
ericlosh said:
the admin of the shirogorov knives official group facebook page is posting some info about the company over the month so i thought id share the first post


30 facts about Shirogorov knives which you probably did not know about

We thought we'd have a bit of pre-holiday fun and share some snippets of our everyday life. So please welcome, a list of facts about Shirogorov knives you probably did not know about.

There will be a total of 30, and they will be posted in batches of 10, each on a Shirogorov Saturday (so today, on the 14th, and on the 21st). Come back to this thread for updates
1f642.png
:)
1. We heat treat out titanium parts, several times. This helps us reach the necessary levels of both hardness and elasticity.
2. Each blade gets heat treated individually, in protective casing. Sometimes a heat treat can take over 24 hours.
3. We do not use standard datasheets for heat treatment; instead, we use our own ‘steel cooking recipes’.
4. We also heat treat pins and screws.
5. Our screws, pins and standoffs are made out of steel that some makers use to manufacture blades out of.
6. Despite the high-tech nature of a lot of processes within the workshop, the blades are still fully ground by hand.
7. After being ground on a grinder, each blade gets rubbed out on whetstones in order to remove the grinding marks. This helps us achieve the even and clean surface after the blades get stonewashed.
8. Bearing balls are sourced from an external supplier. Everything else we make in house from raw materials.
9. Our bearing balls come with a standard 1.5mm diameter regardless of the model.
10. Roller bearings are bought as rods, which we then cut at the workshop
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That is some awesome information. Makes these knives even more desirable. Thanks
 
Ruudr said:
That is some awesome information. Makes these knives even more desirable. Thanks
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well its also great to get technical info from a company. CRK and spyderco for example is very forthcoming with information all about their business.
 
Anyone here own both an F95NL and and F95T at some point? I have an F95NL and an F3R - I adore the NL but the action on the F3R is noticeably improved and I find myself wishing for a full TI with MRBS. Wondering if there is much difference in feel / action between the 95NL and the 95TI. My F3R just feels a touch snappier, lock up sensation feels a little more solid, etc.
 
dburpasaurus said:
Anyone here own both an F95NL and and F95T at some point? I have an F95NL and an F3R - I adore the NL but the action on the F3R is noticeably improved and I find myself wishing for a full TI with MRBS. Wondering if there is much difference in feel / action between the 95NL and the 95TI. My F3R just feels a touch snappier, lock up sensation feels a little more solid, etc.
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There are a few things to consider here. Firstly, the NL is SRBS (single row bearings)--the same as older model F series--while the F3R is MRBS (multi row bearings)--like all R series knives\, but you know that. Secondly, there are differences in tuning and action between any two knives out of the box, even those of the same model. Thirdly, the NL is a frame lock knife while all F3's--R's and others--are liner locks. Lotsa variables with there including less lockbar pressure from from a liner lock than a frame lock which can result in snappier action.

From my own knives and experience of 3 weeks using the NL World Tour knife, I found the NL to be very close to my SRBS F95T in flipping action with the edge to the Turtle and the closing action very much in favor of the latter as well. Of course, my Turtle has been through thousands of opening/closing cycles and I spent time tuning it to get it just so. I also have an F95R with MRBS which flips open with very little provocation, but I'd describe its action as comparatively smoother and the Turtle as freer and snappier. Both those knives free-drop closed while the NL did not, but I didn't tune up the NL either before sending it along to its next stop.

My F3 is an older SRBS that flips out nicely and easily flicks or shakes closed but doesn't free drop. In general, all my Shiros flip out well and lock up solid, though my F3 was initially too early for my taste and developed a bit of lock-stick as it broke in which I spent some time curing. I think that getting the action on your Shiro the way you want is a matter of proper tuning--polishing all interior sliding surfaces; deburring the bearing cages; and getting all the grease out, replacing it with a lighter lube.
 
I visited Recon 1 in Los Angeles a couple of days ago. It’s worth a detour for the Shiros alone.

Unfortunately, I didn’t walk out with anything having overspent in the last month with a HatiOn Lite from them, and a Burger and CRK from the sales forums here.
 
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Does anyone have any clues as to the release of the 110 kickstop? It is up on some sites as not available yet, thinking we get it in 2019? Also curious as to guesses of the price...
 
Will be 2019. Production prototypes finalized as as shown in a recent IG post there will be 3 variations (all anodized titanium) Also no worries this time, there will be a LARGE number of them available, more than any collab available. Hopefully this will keep people from flipping them immediately for cash.

On another note, here are all of the bearing systems currently in use by Shirogorov. Which one of these have you seen :)

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mikomonday said:
Will be 2019. Production prototypes finalized as as shown in a recent IG post there will be 3 variations (all anodized titanium) Also no worries this time, there will be a LARGE number of them available, more than any collab available. Hopefully this will keep people from flipping them immediately for cash.

On another note, here are all of the bearing systems currently in use by Shirogorov. Which one of these have you seen :)

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Thank you for the info Miko! That is good to hear, I will wait on purchases until the lotto and cross my fingers : )

As for your picture, what is the difference between the two MRRBS? I only own lowly SBRS and MRBS, hoping to get the kickstop with rollers :) which one is your favorite in your pic?
 
So the very bottom one is the first generation of DRRBS (double row roller bearing system) that was present on some very early Custom Divisions (around sub-100s) such as the Seashell 3D Hati, Some F3s, and F5 non-slims that were much more involved with Sergey than the Custom Divisions of today (hence why you see a full-custom pivot system in a Custom Division)

The staggered DRRBS is the newer generation that Sergey had created initially for the newer NeOn shape (seen on the NeOn Dual) and has found its way into pretty much all DRRBS full customs at this point (F7, Quantum, etc.) due to its smaller footprint.

Even though my favorite knife has the staggered DRRBS, i think my favorite is the original DRRBS due to the sheer number of rollers :)
 
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