Tip damage from "over closing" Buck 110??

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Coyja said:
I thought 1992 was the first year for 420HC?
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My notes say '93 and after as 420HC......but I said 'probably' because things don't always happen right on January 1 and in fact there may be months of overlap on some of the big changes.

That's the best I got......maybe somebody else will have other notions.

:D
 
skyhorse said:
That blade must have been flopping around all over the place to make two deep strike marks so far apart ?
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Yep. It has a ton of side to side blade play and can easily touch liner to liner. I still really like the knife despite it's issues.
 
plb said:
Yep. It has a ton of side to side blade play and can easily touch liner to liner. I still really like the knife despite it's issues.
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Same here. When closed the blade has loads of side to side.

I just got an S35vn Spitfire in today and upon disassembly to drop sone nano oil in the pivot and try to loosen up the action one of the screws immediately stripped out.
Of 6 Bucks I've bought this week (5 for me, one for a friend), three (110, 112, and 722) are already going in for warranty work.
 
plb said:
Yep. It has a ton of side to side blade play and can easily touch liner to liner. I still really like the knife despite it's issues.
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Send it to Buck and they'll fix it. If I had a Buck110 blade with that much play & bottomed out upon closing ,it would drive me nuts.
 
skyhorse said:
Send it to Buck and they'll fix it. If I had a Buck110 blade with that much play & bottomed out upon closing ,it would drive me nuts.
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I just sent the three knives I received in the last 4 days in... any idea what the turnaround time is at Buck?
 
Usually about a month. Depends on what they have to do.

Seems like we see a lot of minor flaws reported in the newest Bucks........which is why I encourage people to explore the bargains in used 110s on the auction sites and gun show circuit.

I suspect they just took more care and time making the knives in the 70s and 80s and even the 90s........it's a new world today in the 21st Century with accelerated production levels for each worker.

I LOVE my old 110s.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Coyja said:
I just sent the three knives I received in the last 4 days in... any idea what the turnaround time is at Buck?
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WARRANTY FAQ'S
When will I receive my knife back?

Turnaround time:
April thru August 4-6 weeks
September thru March 6-8 weeks
 
skyhorse said:
WARRANTY FAQ'S
September thru March 6-8 weeks
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Thanks for the head up.

WOW. Buy 3 knives, have them for a couple days, send them back for a two month wait.
Man, I'm really feeling burnt by this.
Hoping the 5160 I bought for a buddy last week (shipped from Copper and Clad) isn't going to have issues too.
I'll see how that 1992 -110- goes, and at least my Marksman seem fine.
Otherwise, I'll be taking a break from Buck purchase for a minute (already, lol).
 
I doubt that it will take that long.

This time of year they're starting to catch up from the hunting season rush (lots of knives come in just before hunting season and those vacations for hunting employees slow things down, too) and the holidays.
 
Coyja said:
Same here. When closed the blade has loads of side to side.

I just got an S35vn Spitfire in today and upon disassembly to drop sone nano oil in the pivot and try to loosen up the action one of the screws immediately stripped out.
Of 6 Bucks I've bought this week (5 for me, one for a friend), three (110, 112, and 722) are already going in for warranty work.
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Please understand I am not posting to be antagonistic in any way but why would you have to disassemble a knife to oil the pivot?

Below is straight from Buck's website:

For liability reasons, we do not sell or send individual blades, parts, or anything that would require disassembly of the product, through the mail. Our products are designed to be disassembled by our factory-trained personnel only. Attempting to disassemble your Buck product yourself could result in lost components, compromise the knife's functionality, and void the warranty.
 
Badhammer said:
Please understand I am not posting to be antagonistic in any way but why would you have to disassemble a knife to oil the pivot?

Below is straight from Buck's website:

For liability reasons, we do not sell or send individual blades, parts, or anything that would require disassembly of the product, through the mail. Our products are designed to be disassembled by our factory-trained personnel only. Attempting to disassemble your Buck product yourself could result in lost components, compromise the knife's functionality, and void the warranty.
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Because it only has a very thin teflon washer and the pivot area visibly had too much grease that would just collect dirt,
Trying to smooth out the action from a simple small pivot tension adjustment also wasn't working.
I just wanted to clean it out and put nano oil in there instead to see if it helped.
It wasn't rocket surgery... But the screw stripped on the first turn of the torx driver.

Any knife I have that CAN be taken apart I do so regularly to clean and understand the construction.
If it hadn't required adjustment, sooner or later I would have taken it apart to clean it anyway, and had the same issue and yet another knife to pay for postage back to Buck then, too.

At least its out of the way now, I guess.
 
I think that's were the problem lies. Buck didn't put those particular screws in there so the consumer could take the knife apart. They put them in there to put the knife together. I realize that folks assume that because something something has a screw or bolt that they have a screwdriver or wrench to fit it that it's made for them to remove. That's obviously not the case with everything.

Again I'm not being a dick I'm just saying that Buck tells you not to take it apart and you could have removed the grease and lubed it without disassembly so IMHO this situation shouldn't be a ding on Buck or a warranty repair. That being said I bet Buck will fix it on their dime without complaint.
 
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Buck did put those screws in there to adjust and tune with and if it stripped that easy its junk in my opinion. I dont think you should have to pay shipping i would return them where i bought them and move on.
 
Badhammer said:
I think that's were the problem lies.
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Except that there wouldn't be a problem if the screw wasn't cheap and immediately stripped.
I've also heard plenty of stories of Buck just mailing screws to folks that write in after similar issues, which would also be something they explicitly say they won't do in the police above, so I assume they know that guys are going to take things apart at some point.
I disagree that I could clean out the very fine gap produced by the thinnest of teflon washers without a proper disassembly, though.

I get what you're saying, but Spyderco got run through the mud for the same policy until they finally let it go.
For a company like Buck to have one seems antithetical to their image.
I didn't even consider it was a policy for one second, honestly, because it seems a bit absurd in this day and age for it to exist.

Anyhow, we'll see how it goes and I'll report back when I have more info!
 
We are currently running a 4 week turn. I have your knives on my desk Coyja and will get them turned faster than that. Everyone send us their knives after hunting season, which is why sometimes our lead times stretch. We have made some major changes this year to not let it get to 6-8 weeks turnaround. Winter is the time for knife maintenance it seems.

As far as the blade hitting the spring holder. - On a normal release snap the blade should not hit. The exotic materials are more troublesome due to manufacturing processes. On any 110 or 112, If you squeeze the knife blade, it will hit the spring holder.
 
Ok. So since I am the original poster here... No, I did not "squeeze" the blade closed (??). No, I did not use an inordinate amount of force to close the knife. My sheath is pretty loose, and I didn't slam the knife on a curb to close it. It happened once, and now that I know it is a simple design issue, I will make certain that I try carefully not to do the same thing again. I have not been losing sleep over it, I'm still able to eat and carry on a normal life. It is a bonifide undisputed issue, since many others have had it happen. You simply cannot say "I've had my 110 or 112 for 30 years and it is impossible." Pictures show it is possible and does occur. It just means that you have to be careful with certain quirks to the knife, as with any knife. It's like having blade rub with a stockman. It happens. Not really a big deal, just requires some adjustment and attention to how you are closing the knife because they are all put together and ground by a human being at some stage. That's why we all bought the knife. I'm willing to live with that. If I need a therapist it won't be because my tip is dinged. (There are drugs for that). So for all of you who said "sharpen it and get on with your life," I'd like you to know it has been 8 days since I dinged my knife and with the love and support of my family and friends, I'm managing to do ok. Fake it 'til you make it. Obviously Buck must know about this, and they haven't significantly changed the design since it's creation, so it's safe to say this is something that is here to stay. I'm not going to send the knife back because it may or may not happen with a future model of this knife. I've already stropped it out and I'm just going to have to either be more conscientious when closing it or sheathing it or have to strop the tip again. Thanks for all your input, I was just curious if it had been experienced by anyone else or if it was just a tolerance issue with my particular knife. And once again, thank you for all your thoughts and prayers. It would be very helpful if you could all change your Facebook pictures to mine in sympathy for a week, and I'll let you know when I set up my Go-fund-me account.
 
Legendary reply, Shelter Me, lol!
I, for one, thank you for this thread.
Its timing was uncanny, since I had just received a few Bucks and this issue happened basically immediately.
I jumped on here to try to figure out what was going on and this had been posted, so it was a huge help. There doesn't seem to be a lot of good info on this problem, though it does exist.
I have since purchased a 1992 110, and I can say that there is definitely a different feel.
It requires a great deal more force to push the blade into the backspacer vs the 2017 models I bought.

I'm going to light a candle for you now, though, and if you need me to send over any food to help you get through this week, I make a mean lasagna.
:)
 
ShelterMe said:
Ok. So since I am the original poster here... No, I did not "squeeze" the blade closed (??). No, I did not use an inordinate amount of force to close the knife. My sheath is pretty loose, and I didn't slam the knife on a curb to close it. It happened once, and now that I know it is a simple design issue, I will make certain that I try carefully not to do the same thing again. I have not been losing sleep over it, I'm still able to eat and carry on a normal life. It is a bonifide undisputed issue, since many others have had it happen. You simply cannot say "I've had my 110 or 112 for 30 years and it is impossible." Pictures show it is possible and does occur. It just means that you have to be careful with certain quirks to the knife, as with any knife. It's like having blade rub with a stockman. It happens. Not really a big deal, just requires some adjustment and attention to how you are closing the knife because they are all put together and ground by a human being at some stage. That's why we all bought the knife. I'm willing to live with that. If I need a therapist it won't be because my tip is dinged. (There are drugs for that). So for all of you who said "sharpen it and get on with your life," I'd like you to know it has been 8 days since I dinged my knife and with the love and support of my family and friends, I'm managing to do ok. Fake it 'til you make it. Obviously Buck must know about this, and they haven't significantly changed the design since it's creation, so it's safe to say this is something that is here to stay. I'm not going to send the knife back because it may or may not happen with a future model of this knife. I've already stropped it out and I'm just going to have to either be more conscientious when closing it or sheathing it or have to strop the tip again. Thanks for all your input, I was just curious if it had been experienced by anyone else or if it was just a tolerance issue with my particular knife. And once again, thank you for all your thoughts and prayers. It would be very helpful if you could all change your Facebook pictures to mine in sympathy for a week, and I'll let you know when I set up my Go-fund-me account.
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Or.......you could get rid of it and buy a good older 110 off e-Bay.

;)
 
Tis true, Vorpal, it's an issue that's basically now a non-issue. I still love the design. I'll keep my 110s and 112s. I still like Demi Moore even though she's had some design changes over the years... Actually I have a 112 Bucklite coming from eBay soon that I'm fairly excited about. Love them discontinued designs.
 
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