tundratrader-where are my knives?

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Today I received a letter.
The person asked not to say his name on the forum.
But I'll ask. To make it, he agreed to speak here.
Here is the text of the letter.
"Please don't mention my name or user name on the forum but Zach tried to trade/ sell me an XM 18 in December.

Here are the pictures. I don't think there is any way we could conclude if it is your knife or not but he didn't have a scale for it and the one he sold you had the more valuable flat screws. Im not sure how many XM 18's he has but I know he sold another one in 2011.
Anyways here are the pics, maybe it will help.

He told me that the knife was used and carried but in perfect condition and that it was Duratech 20CV just like the one he sold you.

I know that he buys all of his hinderers directly from the factory. Maybe Rick Hinderer could help us out and tell us how many he sold to Tundratrader. I think it would be difficult to get more than 2 in 20CV."
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Most xm-18's (ETA: gen 3-4) are duratech 20cv, some are stamped on blade otherwise, only a few were made in other metals and not stamped as such, on accident. As a general rule no marking on blade saying S35vn or XHP then it's 20cv. Hope this helps.

From Hinderer site:

Blade Steels: Duratech 20CV (59-60 HRC)
* Carpenter CTS-XHP (60-61 HRC)
* CPM-S35VN (60-61 HRC)
 
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longbeard said:
...................... Surely it would not be the 1st time that tracking en route was not scanned and uploaded would it? and package still making its way to the final destination? ....................
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This happens with knives shipped to me sometimes and I'm at an AMERICAN base with a US zip code. It never even leaves our postal system. For that reason I like to post "I got it" pics in the For Sale thread if it's still open, to ease the seller's mind.
 
read the whole thread carefully longbeard - TT has said his piece too. I don't care to quote the highlights for you. :)
 
I think the best thing to do in this instance is assume that both are innocent and that they were simply unlucky and te package was lost and TT misplaced the reciept. I know Ive misplaced receipts before.

None of us know all the facts so we need to assume both parties are innocent. I've done business with TT before and believe he's a good and honest guy.
 
I worked for USPS over 35 years.The way I understand this parcel was shipped,1st class,value $40.00.In that case going to Russia you would use Customs form 2976A.(A small green form filled out by mailer describing contents and value.This form has NO TRACKING!No insurance,no Customs fees or signature required upon delivery.
 
longbeard said:
And both the seller & buyer agreed with this most basic bare bones shipping method. The international buyer has no recourse.
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I think its well understood that the buyer has no real recourse. The purpose of this thread is to work out an amicable end to this situation that both parties can live with.

That said, as far as the "innocent till proven guilty" thing goes. You have to remember that this is a civil matter; there is no allegation of criminal fraud. Civil courts use a preponderance of the evidence standard. Meaning, is it more likely than not. Since TT, being the seller, agreed to take an action (e.g. ship the knife) then the burden of proof is on him to prove that he did. It is virtually impossible for anyone to prove that he didn't.

Its a very unfortunate situation we find ourselves in here.
 
longbeard said:
And both the seller & buyer agreed with this most basic bare bones shipping method. The international buyer has no recourse.
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I would never ship an expensive knife that way to another Country.That manner of shipping is normally used to ship an inexpensive gift to a friend or relative.
 
I make no judgement of guilt, either way. But the seller dictates the sale, and he can't prove shipping the knife. He has rarely shown up to deal with the issues in this thread, and dodged the Buyer for 6 months....it doesn't look like good sales practices.

Either party could be screwing the pooch, TT proving shipping would end that.

One things for sure, if I took full payment on any product...then offered a 50% refund(0% in TT's case, with discount)....I could make a pretty good living....it's mail fraud :eek:
 
Bwana1 said:
I make no judgement of guilt, either way. But the seller dictates the sale, and he can't prove shipping the knife. He has rarely shown up to deal with the issues in this thread, and dodged the Buyer for 6 months....it doesn't look like good sales practices.

Either party could be screwing the pooch, TT proving shipping would end that.

One things for sure, if I took full payment on any product...then offered a 50% refund(0% in TT's case, with discount)....I could make a pretty good living....it's mail fraud :eek:
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If the item was shipped in the manner described there would be no proof of shipping,only a receipt for the amount of postage.
 
5.56 said:
Maybe the guys at the Hinderer would allow TundraTrader to purchase another knife outright with the firefighter discount. They then would ship it to kroman.

That would be more than fair seeing that TT flipped the first knife at almost double. TT would only be out a small amount net, and kroman would get a knife.

I'm just trying to help find a solution.
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cziv said:
That's a darn good solution Rob!
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That seems like a good solution to me as well.
And if kroman paid for the shipping they would both wind up losing about the same amount of money in the end, and this would be over.
That is if TT can get another at half price.

Other than that, I don't see how this could ever be worked out.



BYW- I'm sure most know this, and if not you do now, but..... If you are going to sell abroad make sure and keep the customs form, and receipt until knife arrives.
 
Bwana1 said:
TT has no receipt or shipping confirmation...nada, that's the 'PROBLEM"

And this dictates protocol & law:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...e-“Mail-Order-Rule”-and-something-you-can-do-
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In order to complete a sale,the item must first be paid for and then be received.The seller has control of the shipping method,not only to prove the item was received by the buyer but to cover himself should it become lost or stolen.This item should have been shipped registered mail.The seller should have never accepted other terms.IMHO, the seller owes the buyer the knife or a full refund.
 
skyhorse said:
In order to complete a sale,the item must first be paid for and then be received.The seller has control of the shipping method,not only to prove the item was received by the buyer but to cover himself should it become lost or stolen.This item should have been shipped registered mail.The seller should have never accepted other terms.IMHO, the seller owes the buyer the knife or a full refund.
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I agree.
 
LB, he may as well speak up in the thread....because it doesn't look like he's trying to find an amicable solution. Plus there is a second member with an issue, no knife.

Sale is controlled by Seller, the buyer agreeing or dictating terms is irrelevant...it was TT's responsibility to ship according to standard protocol.
 
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