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So now we have the customs # that doesn't even show that it went through the PO. TT have you tried giving them the customs # to get them to find the paperwork that way? I don't know if it'll work, but one way or the other you have to find a way to show that it shipped.
Also, why has it taken 6 months for any effort to go into just tracking down the package? When did the buyer show concern?
Also, why has it taken 6 months for any effort to go into just tracking down the package? When did the buyer show concern?
Gastonknife
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TT > no proof of shipping simply means you owe the buyer the full amount. Who cares where it was going to.
You are only making it worse for yourself, the longer this goes on.
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You are only making it worse for yourself, the longer this goes on.
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Another thought: I know that there are buyers who scam sellers out of refunds by claiming they never got the package. I don't know if that's what is happening here, but it's stuff like that which is exactly why people use registered mail/sign on delivery for expensive international packages. TT should've walked away from this deal, it's not like he couldn't have found a buyer for an XM-18 that was willing to have it shipped properly.
If this was my money, I'd be fired up. I'd also be contacting the authorities, in Homer Alaska.
TT may not be guilty, but hiding under a rock for 6 months doesn't look professional. He gets a 50% discount on the knife...buck up and pay the man.
TT may not be guilty, but hiding under a rock for 6 months doesn't look professional. He gets a 50% discount on the knife...buck up and pay the man.
Not true. I live in Canada and my customs #s from the States ALWAYS show at least that it went through the PO. It should say "processed through sort facility". You can't track it once it leaves the country, but you can still prove it was sent.
I don't entirely agree with this from a philosophical standpoint.
If the buyer and seller agree to given type of shipping method AND the buyer agrees not to hold the seller responsible should something go wrong then I see no problem with that transaction. Obviously, its incumbent upon the seller to provide any and all evidence of the package actually getting sent but the transaction can go on as stated.
The alternative is worse for a prospective buyer as it would necessitate no foreign sales at all PERIOD.
In this case, TT fell down on the providing proof of posting.
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IMHO the OP was begging to never get the knife by asking for the shipping method he did. Whether it be by a greedy customs agent, careless handler (it's less than $40.00 why give it special attention?), or TT choosing to scam him because it would be soooooo easy.
I am neither saying that TT took advantage of OP's idiotic request nor that if he did his actions were justified. I am merely stating that OP gave up any right to make a claim when he asked TT to lie. The most he could ask of TT is a receipt and that would have been easy to fake anyways.
I am neither saying that TT took advantage of OP's idiotic request nor that if he did his actions were justified. I am merely stating that OP gave up any right to make a claim when he asked TT to lie. The most he could ask of TT is a receipt and that would have been easy to fake anyways.
Kronman can only ask for a type of shipping. It is all up to TT. If Kronman was insisting on the cheapest shipping, TT could have refused and placed the knife back up for sale. So yes, Kronman was wrong in asking, but it is TT who chose to ship it poorly. I understand that accidentally throwing a receipt can happen, but if you are shipping a $700 item to a foreign country, that receipt needs to be kept until the item arrives. I do not think TT is walking around with the knife, and I do not think Kronman would go through this massive amount of trouble to screw TT over. However, if the item is not in the buyers hand and the seller has no proof that he shipped it, the fault lies on the seller.
Splitting the cost of a new knife is unfair to Kronman, who has already shelled out $700 and has no knife. TT needs to provide a replacement knife or refund Kronman's money.
Splitting the cost of a new knife is unfair to Kronman, who has already shelled out $700 and has no knife. TT needs to provide a replacement knife or refund Kronman's money.
Mostly agree. It's still his fault that it was shipped to him improperly (he insisted on it), but unless TT can prove he sent it I can't see any reason why Kromanm should have to spend any more money (aside from maybe paying for PROPER shipping this time around).
He also said that he asked for it the day of (I'm assuming shipping but he could've meant the day he paid for it). I find it hard to believe that TT lost the receipt between the PO and home. That one's a little fishy IMO.
That's not true actually. If you check the stickied threads, it says if the buyer and seller agree to different terms, then those terms override the rules.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/744662-***-Mailing-Security?p=8339179#post8339179
I'm not sure they ever explicitly agreed what to do over loss in transit, but as a generalization what you said is wrong.
That said, when I was selling that is why I did conus shipping only, insurance and delivery confirmation included on every knife sent. I didn't give the buyer the option to "add them for $xx", but it was included no matter what.
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I do agree that TT should show a receipt. The only way he would be unable to is if he paid the PO in cash, which if he did, along with making no effort to keep a record of the shipment, would tip the scale of negligence to his side and require restitution.
My prediction: TT is going to show evidence via bank account statement that shows he made a payment to the PO for the specific amount on the date in question and will be absolved of any guilt.
Hopefully he learned a lesson about shipping too.
I once shipped an item overseas as cheaply as possible, no tracking or DC; even though I had the receipt and could prove I shipped it, I still refunded the guys money when he claimed it never showed. Hopefully TT learned his lesson and will never ever again ship an item without tracking and/or DC.
I would still deal with you TT! But we would be using flat-rate boxes for sure.
My prediction: TT is going to show evidence via bank account statement that shows he made a payment to the PO for the specific amount on the date in question and will be absolved of any guilt.
Hopefully he learned a lesson about shipping too.
I once shipped an item overseas as cheaply as possible, no tracking or DC; even though I had the receipt and could prove I shipped it, I still refunded the guys money when he claimed it never showed. Hopefully TT learned his lesson and will never ever again ship an item without tracking and/or DC.
I would still deal with you TT! But we would be using flat-rate boxes for sure.
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