Update Re: Kyle Eichenseer

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I think that david was commenting on Disorders post rich. Im alittle slow on the comp. and havent had a chance to read this WHOLE thread so please excuse me...BUT can ANY OTHER person step up and say Kyle has stolen from them, ANYONE, Just curious ????? Not making excuses for him, ONE case of thievery (IF thats the case) is ONE to many. BUTTTT has ANY other person been "ripped" of by kyle?
Loandr.
 
loandr. said:
I think that david was commenting on Disorders post rich. Im alittle slow on the comp. and havent had a chance to read this WHOLE thread so please excuse me...BUT can ANY OTHER person step up and say Kyle has stolen from them, ANYONE, Just curious ????? Not making excuses for him, ONE case of thievery (IF thats the case) is ONE to many. BUTTTT has ANY other person been "ripped" of by kyle?
Loandr.
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Yeah... at least one other person...
This other person is a respected member, and a brooklyn boy too
 
MelancholyMutt said:
Yeah... at least one other person...
This other person is a respected member, and a brooklyn boy too
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Former Brooklyn Boy as well here. SheepsHead bay to be specific. Thanks for the intel...I just NEVER saw anyone mention such. Would they mind chiming in? If not NO problemo....I have NO dog in this fight, and would only like to see all parties satisfied, just funny I never caught that post or thread? Oh well like I said Im slowww :-) Whom was the member if I may ask sir?
Loandr.
 
Hi Guys,
Yes, I have been lied about by Kyle and cheated. Not in quite the same way. In fact, In a deal we had where I was unsatisfied I made it known to him and that I wanted to re trade and call it even. He refused saying it was too late and then made up a whole bunch of **** when he knew I would be away in NM for 10 days. In which time I was never even close to a computer and couldn't sufficiently defend myself. When I did find out upon return, I had like 2 maybe 3 posts chances to air the evidence in my favor. They banned me instantly when I started posting his emails and that was that. So I have a huge grudge against this guy. I think he was afraid I was gonna call him out (I wasn't) on line in front of his buddies so he tried to beat me to the punch and when he knew I was gone too. He is sneaky and a cheat, no matter how many great deals he's had there at that other site he still has cheated at least two people. Dan and I. As well, I had recieved information from two other "Suspects" around the same time who stated that Kyle and his good buddy Eric Blair may have had other reasons for banning me and trying to mess with my business. I don't know how true it is but the fact that it came from suspescts means something to me. The nerve they had to try and inhibit my sales as a knifemaker based on the lies of one boy (Kyle)who I had a deal with that had nothing to do with the knives I make but rather with some production knives. Very interesting indeed. TAke care and Dan, I hope you can stick it to him, I wish I could help you more but my support is all I have at the moment. If there's anything I can do, let me know. Peace....R
 
RDT said:
I wish I could help you more but my support is all I have at the moment. If there's anything I can do, let me know. Peace....R
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Don't want to be a smarta$$ but filing fraud charges shouldn't cost a dime ? With police i mean. That's what Dan should do - it's no different getting scammed out of $210 + whatever knife was worth than getting mugged for $20 by a drug addict and you'd report the mugging. WHy treat this any different ?

I'm not familiar with US judicial system and the concept of small claims court but Google spits out what appears to be alot of useful information on the subject (i'm not sure whether ~$500 qualifies as a "smallclaim" either ...). I'm sure you US guys know what are the other steps to tak, after crime has been reported to the police.
 
that sucks rich, IF that was the case? I was aware of that incident and figured it was the one Melanc. was referring to ( Just didnt want to use your name :-) i dont know if you recall ,but we did BS a bit back before your bann and I thought then as i do now ...your A OK :-) Not to mention your blades Kick ASS! And thank you for chiming in sir hope your holidays went well. Anyhow thanks and like I suspected. NO OTHER incident exists of Kyle suspected stealing, LITERALLY. And this dosent EXCUSE even one (IF the case!) incident of thievery as mentioned. Just wondering how many other makers out there that have completed hundreds of transactions and have had ONLY ONE problemed incident, that are around???. Interesting repuation ? Just food for thought nothing more. thanks again And Rich(as if you didnt already know) your stuff would sell anywhere!!!
Loandr.
 
loandr. said:
Just wondering how many other makers out there that have completed hundreds of transactions and have had ONLY ONE problemed incident, that are around???
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How do we know that it is the only problem anyone has had with Kyle? There could be others that would just as soon not get involved or that are not members of this forum.

As far as the broader picture of problems with makers is concerned, I would think that a very small percentage of them would be guilty of stealing from their customers. Not handling things well with a dissatisfied customer and stealing from them are not even close to being the same.
 
One more thing, we keep comparing Kyle to knifemakers. From what I understand, he modifies knives, he doesn't make them.
 
There have been many precedents where negligent and incitement publications were held liable for injuries, damage and losses. Give up on Kyle... take USN to court...
 
Esav Benyamin said:
faramir, it would be easier for Dan to do if he weren't in Italy.
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That's up to the authorities to deal with - granted, it might take a while, it might all come down to nothing, but at least he;d be dong something. It's not as if the scammer was located in Pakistan or Nigeria or some other place hard to locate. Obviously getting a lawyer in the US woudl be the best option but that takes time and money on Dan's behalf.

loandr: how many steals does it take before it becomes wrong for you ? Obviously not just one like for the rest of us (and the folks making up the law) ...
 
If you all dont mind I'd like to ask a question.
First off, let me say that I am not commenting onthe situation between Kyle and Dr Dan, IMO that is between them at this point. If I was forced to hazard a guess as to what happened, I personally think that customs is in possession of Dr Dan's property, but that is just my opinion and I cannot verify it. That is the only comment I will make on this matter regardless of what anyone says to me about it.

The question I want to ask is this, because honesty, ripoffs and integrity are being thrown around in this thread.

-If knifemakers rent a table at a show for $800+ for the opportunity to sell their knives
there and the promise from the promoter that only tableholders will be selling there

and

-If a promoter rents tables at his show for $800+ in a legal business fashion
because the show is his legal property and he has the right to control who does
business there

and

-If a knifemaker pays $20 to get into the show like a regular spectator but
walks around from dealer table to dealer table and person to person selling his own
handmade knives out of brown paper bags, without paying the promoter for the
privelege, isnt he being dishonest, ripping off the promoter and the knifemakers who
paid, and even technically committing a crime? And if he's done it at at least 2
shows a year for the last 3 years, doesnt that make him a ripoff and a criminal?

Just wondering.
 
Good point Lifter!
MelancholyMutt said:
There have been many precedents where negligent and incitement publications were held liable for injuries, damage and losses. Give up on Kyle... take USN to court...
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You thinking here Mutt is a tad flawed. The individual responsible should be held responsible. Your thinking is what fuels these frivilous lawsuits that abound in this country. Should I sue McDonalds because I am too stupid to realize that holding a cup of hot coffee between my legs is asking for a burn? Or, the gun manufacterers for the criminal use of their product? Should I sue Ford because a DUI driver killed a buddy who was doing a traffic stop? Hmmm... :rolleyes:
 
that would be a breach of contract, in particular the (implied) term that a $20 ticket does not allow you to sell your wares. that's not a right thing to do.
 
If you are a knifemaker and wish to sell at a knife show, you must pay the promoter the fees required in order to sell.

Anything less show a lack of integrity on the part of the Maker, period.....
 
faramir said:
That's up to the authorities to deal with - granted, it might take a while, it might all come down to nothing, but at least he;d be dong something. It's not as if the scammer was located in Pakistan or Nigeria or some other place hard to locate. Obviously getting a lawyer in the US woudl be the best option but that takes time and money on Dan's behalf.

loandr: how many steals does it take before it becomes wrong for you ? Obviously not just one like for the rest of us (and the folks making up the law) ...
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*Please check my post ....."one incident of thievery is one to many" stated it several times. Thats obviously where I stand sir on that issue, correct :-) Good point as well was made, kyle should probably not be compared to an actual maker. And yes of course many others out there whom have been "stolen" from MAY exsist of course. Just wondering if any frequented this forum,? IT SEEMS THERE AREN'T....but fully understand your points. And once again hope all works out.
Loandr.
 
MelancholyMutt said:
There have been many precedents where negligent and incitement publications were held liable for injuries, damage and losses. Give up on Kyle... take USN to court...
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Or how about hold responsible bladeforums.com for Newt Livesay, Allen Blades, Steve Corkum, and Dale Reif, etc.

Do you really think the USN or BFC or any other forum is responsible for an individaul's actions? Or are you just taking the opportunity to calling the USN and negligent and incitement publication (back to name calling)?

Again I find it disturbing that people grasp any opportunity to bash another forum, either USN OR BLADEFORUMS.

I have an idea! How about focusing on the real issue of the thread! Better yet how about finding a way to help rather than becoming part of the problem.
 
maestrodawg1 said:
Or how about hold responsible bladeforums.com for Newt Livesay, Allen Blades, Steve Corkum, and Dale Reif, etc.

Do you really think the USN or BFC or any other forum is responsible for an individaul's actions? Or are you just taking the opportunity to calling the USN and negligent and incitement publication (back to name calling)?

Again I find it disturbing that people grasp any opportunity to bash another forum, either USN OR BLADEFORUMS.

I have an idea! How about focusing on the real issue of the thread! Better yet how about finding a way to help rather than becoming part of the problem.
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COULDN'T OF SAID IT BETTER. (was just trying my best to leave those few makers names out of it :-) I happen to agree w/ Lifter's theory on the blade itself BUT its nothing more than my opinion as well, Just dont like the direction this has been going. seems more of a rep/forum bashing then combined efforts to get the situation resolved(wish i could be of more help) I can also understand the frustration of trying to deal w/ this problem overseas not making it any easier but it CAN be handled as oppossed to drawn out.
 
loandr. said:
*Please check my post ....."one incident of thievery is one to many" stated it several times. Thats obviously where I stand sir on that issue, correct :-)
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I stand corrected and i would like to apologize - i zeroed in to the part just preceding the bit you mentioned ("NO OTHER incident exists of Kyle suspected stealing, LITERALLY").

Regarding the "customs confiscated the knife" theory, my $.02 worth (this is something i have to deal with quite often, unfortunately):

When customs folks hold anything until they recieve proper paperwork they notify the adresee via registered mail, this is how it works here and mostlikely in Italy as well. If they confiscate something they still have to notify the adresee (because he could be in a violation of regulations/laws etc.).

Another point that makes me reject this theory is that if this was the case, the seller - no matter how pi**ed off he is because Dan changed his mind, (despite Dan working out with compensation as well as person possibly could) - woudl rather have his name dragged down the gutters than speak up and provide relevent information to clear his name (mshipment tracking number) :confused: This is the part i totally can't understand, if Kyle is innocent; if he was holding a grudge against Dan for some reason, what better way to "get back" at him than prove he (Kyle) is innocent ? And what easier way to notch few points among the potentialfuture customers ? Kyle elected to do the opposite instead, leaving whatever shred of dignity he ever had behind him. Go figure ...
 
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