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So Hoback is responsible for what dealers put on their websites. Yes, we know that’s what you believe. Do we need to beat the dead horse?Do the big dealers list any of those knives as being made in the US?
If they stood by and knowingly let them be sold as made in America, yes. Have they?
I don't know. Do you think the manufacturers are checking all the big dealers' listings to make sure they don't contain any errors?
True, my Pena doesn't mention it anywhere. Why, I could just as well assume it was made in the US. I’m outraged!
Why is it relevant? Is the government supplying all their contractors with Hoback knives?
Your problem is that you hold the manufacturer responsible for what dealers put on THEIR website.
Not wrong. The issue was the ambiguity of what was being made overseas, which is why we wanted clarity. Had dude come out and said my screws are made in China, literally no one cares lol
No disrespect, but what some other knife maker did years ago has no bearing on this Hoback situation.Not quite no evidence,3D Anvil
That other maker I referred to earlier, that is no longer a member here, used to remove, (buff out), the "China" mark on the blades he imported from Guangdong, before selling them as his own handmade customs. And yes, Customs would seize such goods without the proper mark. Others would remove adhesive labels after receipt, to disguise origin.
When I worked as a special agent in Miami I was called in by inspectors who had seized container loads of Chinese goods, (knives, including switchblades), which were in contravention of customs regulations.
(Not a matter for the unit I worked within, but as a knife guy, they called me down for consultation. The "fraud" group handled those sorts of cases.)
Hoback admitted that (at least some of his) knives were manufactured overseas. Why would they not be marked as such? Don't tell me that's just another simple oversight?
You’re making a distinction because it isn’t in your favor not to do it. The concept is simple: If the government considers it “made in USA”, is it not reasonable to consider it “made in USA”?
It doesn’t say where anywhere but in the dealer website... which the dealer controls.
Except for it being the exact same thing where Hoback is comfortably selling knives that he's allowing the dealers he's entered into a contract with to sell his products, to inaccurately describe their point of origin.
Again, I have no idea. Nor do you, with respect to Hoback. All we know is that some dealers misrepresented the COA of the knives, Hoback claims he tried to get some of them to fix the error, and he says they didn't, but he could have tried harder.
It's also slightly strange to automatically assume every company uses foreign screws. The US has nearly as much market share in the iron fasteners market as China (though both are far behind Germany) it's not unreasonable to use American made screws.
