When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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Paratrooper06 said:
We have been over this. The business address used for tax purposes does not have to be the place of origin or manufacture.

Ford corporate is in Dearborne, MI. Does that mean every Ford vehicle has to be made in Dearborne? Of course not.
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Ford discloses that they have factories and OEM partners elsewhere. Hoback did not. (Until recently.)
 
3D Anvil said:
Is it also a horrible excuse for the dealers who posted the false information, based on nothing but assumptions?
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No, I'm talking about the excuse you made up for Jack Hoback not knowing dealers we incorrectly listing the COO of his knives because he mislead them and won't disclose where they are made. It is a horrible excuse to claim he didn't know. Horrible.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
Ford discloses that they have factories and OEM partners elsewhere. Hoback did not. (Until recently.)
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Disclose to WHO? There is a difference between disclosure to the government and disclosure to consumers. If it isn’t required, and it isn’t illegal, why would someone argue it is?

A fun little exercise: Try asking a major corporation who their suppliers are for raw material and see how far you get. If someone outside the company called me and asked “hey where do you get your resin and copper?” I’d slam the phone down.

There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada. If you want to make “made in America” an issue legally, you’d better be able to prove:
Hoback said, in writing, that a knife made outside of the US was “made in the USA”.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Disclose to WHO? There is a difference between disclosure to the government and disclosure to consumers. If it isn’t required, and it isn’t illegal, why would someone argue it is?

A fun little exercise: Try asking a major corporation who their suppliers are for raw material and see how far you get. If someone outside the company called me and asked “hey where do you get your resin and copper?” I’d slam the phone down.

There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada. If you want to make “made in America” an issue legally, you’d better be able to prove:
Hoback said, in writing, that a knife made outside of the US was “made in the USA”.
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I’m not even asking for that info. Did you read the FTC rules?
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Disclose to WHO? There is a difference between disclosure to the government and disclosure to consumers. If it isn’t required, and it isn’t illegal, why would someone argue it is?

A fun little exercise: Try asking a major corporation who their suppliers are for raw material and see how far you get. If someone outside the company called me and asked “hey where do you get your resin and copper?” I’d slam the phone down.

There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada. If you want to make “made in America” an issue legally, you’d better be able to prove:
Hoback said, in writing, that a knife made outside of the US was “made in the USA”.
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Do you know that some Ford parts are made out of the USA?
 
rpstrimple said:
On a separate issue, or "trend" i'm noticing with "USA designed" made overseas knives, is that no one wants to mention who or where their knives are being made. It's almost as if they know that knife folks will turn their back on them when they hear the C word. And situations like this make it worse for everyone. What's the harm in naming the company making your knives? "It puts the relationship in jeopardy", I find that to be a very lackluster explanation. Sorry, but I'm not buying your knives when you are pulling the wool over folks' eyes......
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I don't think that's accurate at all, if you're talking about large companies then yes, they don't like identifying their OEMs, but for years it has been the norm for designers to be open about their manufacturing partners. The only exception I can think of was one of the first MBK designs, but I can't think of a reputable designer or small company that doesn't let us know who is involved. It's usually a win-win for them, because we love the transparency and as long as they're picking one of the reputable manufacturers and pricing appropriately they did a good job
 
3D Anvil said:
Just change the COA to, "not disclosed by manufacturer." Problem solved.
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When DLT is sitting on $100K of inventory that they'll either have to sit on because it'll take forever to sell or that they'll have to sell at a loss (or some combination of that), it is most definitely not "problem solved".
 
Paratrooper06 said:
1.) Yes
2.) I don’t care
3.) I wouldn't be mad at Ford if they didn’t tell me where they’re made, UNLESS they stated in writing that my truck was completely US made and lied about it.

Did Hoback lie?
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So Ford has been open with their consumers and not just the government. That is a good business plan.

According to FTC Hoback lied by implication.
 
Planterz said:
When DLT is sitting on $100K of inventory that they'll either have to sit on because it'll take forever to sell or that they'll have to sell at a loss (or some combination of that), it is most definitely not "problem solved".
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But it is “problem solved” because the fact of the matter is that not every person makes buying decisions around “USA made”. People will still buy Hoback knives.. maybe not as many people, but they will.
 
Anderdale said:
So are his customs still 100% usa made?
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Who knows if he ever made any to begin with, can you trust his photo stories about doin real man work in his big man shop at this point?

If Jake Hoback wants to sell a custom in the future, he needs to catch a sucker like a huckster or provide a full video documentary of every second of work he did to make the knife. Otherwise how can anyone believe he actually built it, given his extremely flimsy relationship with the truth?
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Then sue them.
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What is with the animosity? I’m just asking questions, and stating what I’ve found FTC-wise.

I don’t care what Jake does, I don’t buy his knives anyways, not my deal. I am not invested in Hoback knives.

I do participate in this community and try to be fair and to the point.

Asking for the same in return.
 
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