When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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NG VI said:
I don't think that's accurate at all, if you're talking about large companies then yes, they don't like identifying their OEMs, but for years it has been the norm for designers to be open about their manufacturing partners. The only exception I can think of was one of the first MBK designs, but I can't think of a reputable designer or small company that doesn't let us know who is involved. It's usually a win-win for them, because we love the transparency and as long as they're picking one of the reputable manufacturers and pricing appropriately they did a good job
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Ask Quiet Carry who their OEM is. ;)
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
What is with the animosity? I’m just asking questions, and stating what I’ve found FTC-wise.

I don’t care what Jake does, I don’t buy his knives anyways, not my deal. I am not invested in Hoback knives.

I do participate in this community and try to be fair and to the point.

Asking for the same in return.
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I wasn’t being dismissive. I’m being serious. All this talk of FTC violations is a legal issue… so they need to be sued if people have proof. Otherwise, what’s the point?
 
craytab said:
No, I'm talking about the excuse you made up for Jack Hoback not knowing dealers we incorrectly listing the COO of his knives because he mislead them and won't disclose where they are made. It is a horrible excuse to claim he didn't know. Horrible.
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He didn't mislead anyone, as far as I can tell.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
They do not have to disclose that info. That is not an issue because they state that they are not “made in the USA.”
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But do you have in writing that Hoback made the claim on a specific knife, and do you have proof said knife wasn’t “made in the USA”? Gotta have evidence here.. can’t just make a bunch of assumptions just because he tells you to pound sand.
 
3D Anvil said:
Ask Quiet Carry who their OEM is. ;)
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It's some Taiwanese factory, just like Spyderco and Cold Steel use.

Do you act like a maniac on other threads about Spyderco and Cold Steel refusing to give the name and address of the overseas factories they contract with?
 
Paratrooper06 said:
I wasn’t being dismissive. I’m being serious. All this talk of FTC violations is a legal issue… so they need to be sued if people have proof. Otherwise, what’s the point?
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Ok. I hear ya there.

My FTC screenshots are to show definition by law, to try to shore up what laws could be enforced. This way everyone has a basis for making their arguements. A fair playing field so to say.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
But do you have in writing that Hoback made the claim on a specific knife, and do you have proof said knife wasn’t “made in the USA”? Gotta have evidence here.. can’t just make a bunch of assumptions just because he tells you to pound sand.
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Per FTC it is not required to be in writing, it can also be implied.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Disclose to WHO? There is a difference between disclosure to the government and disclosure to consumers. If it isn’t required, and it isn’t illegal, why would someone argue it is?

A fun little exercise: Try asking a major corporation who their suppliers are for raw material and see how far you get. If someone outside the company called me and asked “hey where do you get your resin and copper?” I’d slam the phone down.

There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada. If you want to make “made in America” an issue legally, you’d better be able to prove:
Hoback said, in writing, that a knife made outside of the US was “made in the USA”.
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There's no requirement to disclose country of origin to consumers? You might want to let the Customs and Border Protection know that.

Source.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
They do not have to disclose that info. That is not an issue because they state that they are not “made in the USA.”
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But you just got through arguing that it was somehow deceptive for designers not to identify their OEMs....

As far as where what is made, I'd say they're a little cagey:

"We are dedicated to making premium knives with a focus on intricate details and product applications. We use premium steels that are sourced from Austria, Sweden, and the United States. We manufacture parts in the country of Taiwan with multiple partnerships using only the best processes. Some processes are done in the US such as finishes and heat treating."
 
merkon said:
then why do most retailers list his knives as "proudly made here in the USA" when they aren't?
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They do that because they falsely assumed the knives were made in the USA. The USA Blades guy literally said he made the assumption based of things he heard on podcasts and on Youtube!
 
3D Anvil said:
But you just got through arguing that it was somehow deceptive for designers not to identify their OEMs....
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That is not the case. I was arguing country of origin, not who the company they partner with is.

I apologize if I was not clear on that.
 
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