When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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This thread affirms the reasons I like to do business with an American company at the FAR other end of the spectrum, CPK. You want transparency? They put the entire supply chain and manufacturing process on the table in a detailed justification of their pricing, which is more than fair. You can watch videos discussing the designs and showing hard-use tests. It's easy for anyone to ask questions of anyone on their team.
I'll stay clear of overpriced reboxing operations like Hoback.
 
There's really not much to say here, because Hoback himself said it all:
He didn't want to correct misinformation because he was afraid of the blowback.

Failure to do the hard thing has made him lose credibility.
Whether he is recovering from misinformation he was happy to let people believe or this developed organically, he didn't step out in front of it in time.
The "Buh-Bump" you just heard was the sound of Jake getting run over by potential costumers.

(and it's his fault.)
 
Paratrooper06 said:
That’s a disclosure for COO on import of finished goods, not items assembled in the US and their raw material composition. Good effort.
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Hoback admitted to having entire knives produced in other countries. Not to mention that your original claim was, "There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada." which we can see is patently false.
 
Jordan@DLT said:
I'm not gonna do a bunch of back and forth there - and its up to you if you feel I am being genuine - but we are genuinely upset about what happened, I was excited about the hoback brand, I put a lot of time and effort into it personally, this situation feels like having the rug pulled out from under us. I am not trying to market - I do not expect this to help us at all.


This is what we did/are doing - we cancelled all open purchase orders.
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Good on DLT for doing this, Jordan. I have purchased many knives from you guys, and will continue to do so.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
When you show up in court, after filing a suit, the judge is going to ask you to make your case.

Pretend this is court, and make your case. No “reee I think he makes knives in China!” is going to fly. Where is the EVIDENCE?
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What, do you think you haven't been sued until the verdict comes back against you?

Damn dude, you must make a great rate as a public relations destroyer. Who sent you?
 
Paratrooper06 said:
My point is they aren’t junk or trash
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No, that was not your point, that is not what you said.

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and I don’t buy your sensationalism that they are.
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And where the hell did I say, sensationally or otherwise, that they were junk or trash? I said that the knives won't sell a quickly, a point which you reiterated yourself.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Hoback admitted to having entire knives produced in other countries. Not to mention that your original claim was, "There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada." which we can see is patently false.
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Now you’re moving the goalposts.

This is the comment you originally responded to:
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Disclose to WHO? There is a difference between disclosure to the government and disclosure to consumers. If it isn’t required, and it isn’t illegal, why would someone argue it is?

A fun little exercise: Try asking a major corporation who their suppliers are for raw material and see how far you get. If someone outside the company called me and asked “hey where do you get your resin and copper?” I’d slam the phone down.

There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers. Absolutely nada. If you want to make “made in America” an issue legally, you’d better be able to prove:
Hoback said, in writing, that a knife made outside of the US was “made in the USA”.
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NG VI said:
What, do you think you haven't been sued until the verdict comes back against you?

Damn dude, you must make a great rate as a public relations destroyer. Who sent you?
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Is that what I said?

You must think that all you have to do is file a lawsuit and the money rolls in one day.

No, sorry. This isn’t the movies. The burden is on the accuser. If you take Hoback to court, you have to explain what your grievance is, or what they did wrong. You don’t just stand around waiting for Judge Judy to get sassy.
 
Planterz said:
No, that was not your point, that is not what you said.



And where the hell did I say, sensationally or otherwise, that they were junk or trash? I said that the knives won't sell a quickly, a point which you reiterated yourself.
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Someone called them “boat anchors”, which is interesting considering they’re the same knives they’ve always been, it’s just that they could have been made in a place that isn’t the US.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
What is with the animosity? I’m just asking questions, and stating what I’ve found FTC-wise.

I don’t care what Jake does, I don’t buy his knives anyways, not my deal. I am not invested in Hoback knives.

I do participate in this community and try to be fair and to the point.

Asking for the same in return.
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Remember, according to some, it's not the Maker who lied about where his products were made, it's us. We're the bad guys. Yep.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Now you’re moving the goalposts.

This is the comment you originally responded to:
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Perhaps you're unfamiliar with what the phrase 'moving the goalposts' means. You made an absolute claim without modifiers, "There is no entitlement to disclose COO to consumers." Then, when I provided information that completely disproved that statement, you attempted to shift the conversation to talk about raw materials and items assembled in the U.S. vs foreign imports. That's a classic example of moving the goalposts.
 
Blues said:
Most customs don't come from a factory. I don't think most custom makers churn out enough to be considered a factory. Most custom makers work in a "shop".

But, do your due diligence and let us know if the Czech vendor only carried (allegedly) custom knives. (I'm sure it was just a language issue.)

Oh wait, it's not your burden.

Nevermind.
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Hoback, like many other designers, makes both full customs and "mid-tech" production knives. A full custom is, by definition, made by a particular knife maker. Examples: Pena, Laconico, Shirogorov, etc.
 
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