When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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3D Anvil said:
Personally I don't have a problem if a maker doesn't choose to disclose the COO, so long as he isn't making a false claim about it. He didn't make a false claim about it. The dealers did.
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Really...?

You personally...

I find that hard to believe.

Hell, I used to care if my Glocks came from Austria as opposed to the U.S. But of course, they're marked.
 
3D Anvil said:
I can understand why you think so. I disagree. In fact, if a manufacturer doesn't blatantly advertise "USA MADE!!!," then my assumption is that the knives aren't made in the USA.
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When an "about us" page talks about him making the knives and he lives in the USA it's not a stretch to assume they are made in the United States. It would be a stretch to jump to he doesn't make any part of it and China makes the entire knife. But that's exactly what happened.
 
3D Anvil said:
Well, if we're being intentionally obtuse, we in fact DON'T know that he didn't tell them. You're assuming that Hoback is lying and the dealers aren't, which isn't exactly objective.
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That's rich. You using the term intentionally obtuse. I'm going off his own words. He didn't correct the label intentionally. He knew a lie was underway.
 
shinyedges said:
When an "about us" page talks about him making the knives and he lives in the USA it's not a stretch to assume they are made in the United States. It would be a stretch to jump to he doesn't make any part of it and China makes the entire knife. But that's exactly what happened.
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Well, at least if things don't work out with the dealers, there's always Walmart as an option.
 
shinyedges said:
Thanks, I got a good chuckle.
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I'll be here all week.

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Blues said:
Really...?

You personally...

I find that hard to believe.

Hell, I used to care if my Glocks came from Austria as opposed to the U.S. But of course, they're marked.
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I'm not saying I don't have a preference for USA made, but that's clearly not a huge issue for me because I own knives (and many other things) that are made in the USA, made in China by USA designers, made in China by Chinese designers, made in other countries in various combinations, etc. If there's a knife I'm interested in and the COO isn't available, it's not going to stop me from buying the knife. Hell, I don't know where half the crap I own was made.
 
shinyedges said:
That's rich. You using the term intentionally obtuse. I'm going off his own words. He didn't correct the label intentionally. He knew a lie was underway.
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So you believe him when he says that, but not when he says that he never told the retailers his knives were USA made. Mkay. Everything must be viewed in the light most unfavorable to Jake Hoback.
 
3D Anvil said:
Well, if we're being intentionally obtuse, we in fact DON'T know that he didn't tell them. You're assuming that Hoback is lying and the dealers aren't, which isn't exactly objective.
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We're not assuming that Hoback is lying. We know that he's lied for years. What you're quibbling about is whether he did it implicitly or explicitly.
 
3D Anvil said:
So you believe him when he says that, but not when he says that he never told the retailers his knives were USA made. Mkay. Everything must be viewed in the light most unfavorable to Jake Hoback.
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I don't believe he tried to correct them at all. He never named who he supposedly tried to correct. I believe the dealers who said they were never contacted. I also believe he knew his knives were being sold under a lie.
 
3D Anvil said:
Sure, Sharp By Design, Vero, Pena, others have charged as much for Chinese-made knives. But they didn't hide the fact that they were made in China.
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I cannot think of a China-made knife (putting aside a few in damasteel/timascus/etc.) by any of those that comes close to Hoback’s prices.
 
3D Anvil said:
I had that impression too, but it strikes me as a pretty important question. If he just blew himself up because he felt bad about the situation, that lends credibility to his mea culpa that wouldn't hold if someone else was about to blow him up and he was just trying to minimize the damage.
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Well he started out with saying that he was the subject of a "witch hunt," as I recall, so it definitely sounded like he was afraid something was coming.
 
shinyedges said:
I don't believe he tried to correct them at all. He never named who he supposedly tried to correct. I believe the dealers who said they were never contacted. I also believe he knew his knives were being sold under a lie.
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Yes, like I said, you draw every possible adverse inference for Hoback, and give everyone else the benefit of every doubt. It's your right, but it's certainly not objective.
 
3D Anvil said:
So you believe him when he says that, but not when he says that he never told the retailers his knives were USA made. Mkay. Everything must be viewed in the light most unfavorable to Jake Hoback.
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Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he tried to correct one dealer and gave up when it didn't work is a pretty good deal considering the other options are that he lied to them explicitly or implicitly.
 
3D Anvil said:
Yes, like I said, you draw every possible adverse inference for Hoback, and give everyone else the benefit of every doubt. It's your right, but it's certainly not objective.
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Nor did I claim to be objective. Drawing potential conclusions from the available information and assessing likelihood is what I've done. You on the other hand...
 
shinyedges said:
When this thread started he hadn't made that video. It was released during the course of this thread.
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Right, it was his written statement that came first though. This thread was the third or fourth place I'd found the info though I think they all took off pretty much right away. It was also on r/knifeclub, DLT's FB, Instagram obviously, and I'm sure lots of other places. He's getting blasted on all sides.
 
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