When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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RBB2 said:
Right, it was his written statement that came first though. This thread was the third or fourth place I'd found the info though I think they all took off pretty much right away. It was also on r/knifeclub, DLT's FB, Instagram obviously, and I'm sure lots of other places. He's getting blasted on all sides.
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The written statement that said he wasn't going to tell people where things were made? There's been a few things lost in this thread. You happen to have that statement link?
 
3D Anvil said:
If you count failing to correct misrepresentations by others as lying, then yeah.
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Yes. Yes I do. If I, Jake Hoback, know a dealer is lying about the origin of my knives, and I let it continue, I am now part of that lie.

They're his knives, it's his company and all he had to do to get the correct COO was state it on social media. He shoulda done that years ago L.
 
shinyedges said:
He's left a bunch of dealers unhappy with him. He shouldn't have blamed them in his "apology". He still hasn't owned up to any of this. No atonement. Deleting everything and blaming other people is not a genuine apology.
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As of yesterday, according to DLT, he was doubling down on the "not my fault" position, and they said they couldn't believe some of the things he said on that phone call. Sounds like he's just digging in.
 
Blackfish775 said:
Yes. Yes I do. If I, Jake Hoback, know a dealer is lying about the origin of my knives, and I let it continue, I am now part of that lie.

They're his knives, it's his company and all he had to do to get the correct COO was state it on social media. He shoulda done that years ago L.
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That's because you have morals. Identifying right and wrong in clear cut situations such as this shouldn't be difficult if one has a smidgen of critical thinking skills and morals.
 
RBB2 said:
As of yesterday, according to DLT, he was doubling down on the "not my fault" position, and they said they couldn't believe some of the things he said on that phone call. Sounds like he's just digging in.
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Right, so no atonement.
 
3D Anvil said:
I can understand why you think so. I disagree. In fact, if a manufacturer doesn't blatantly advertise "USA MADE!!!," then my assumption is that the knives aren't made in the USA.
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Honestly that's my general take on that as well.
 
brancron said:
I cannot think of a China-made knife (putting aside a few in damasteel/timascus/etc.) by any of those that comes close to Hoback’s prices.
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Blackfish775 said:
Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he tried to correct one dealer and gave up when it didn't work is a pretty good deal considering the other options are that he lied to them explicitly or implicitly.
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Objectively, a fourth option is that he never made any claim as to COO to any of them, but they listed USA anyway.
 
shinyedges said:
Nor did I claim to be objective. Drawing potential conclusions from the available information and assessing likelihood is what I've done. You on the other hand...
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Frankly, that's not what you've done at all. You've assumed that Hoback is the worst human on earth and used that as the basis for your entire analysis.
 
3D Anvil said:
Frankly, that's not what you've done at all. You've assumed that Hoback is the worst human on earth and used that as the basis for your entire analysis.
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That's a lie. I never said anywhere in this thread or anywhere else that he is the worst human on earth. Stop making things up.
 
3D Anvil said:
So you believe him when he says that, but not when he says that he never told the retailers his knives were USA made. Mkay. Everything must be viewed in the light most unfavorable to Jake Hoback.
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That's generally what happens when someone loses their credibility.
 
Blackfish775 said:
Yes. Yes I do. If I, Jake Hoback, know a dealer is lying about the origin of my knives, and I let it continue, I am now part of that lie.

They're his knives, it's his company and all he had to do to get the correct COO was state it on social media. He shoulda done that years ago L.
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Yet it’s interesting how you place zero fault at the dealer for any of it. I guess Hoback makes a more attractive target than your favorite dealers. :)
 
3D Anvil said:
Objectively, a fourth option is that he never made any claim as to COO to any of them, but they listed USA anyway.
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That option involves him lying both explicitly and implicitly, as well.


Explicitly because he said he tried to correct a dealer, and implicitly because he let the wrong COO remain for years.

Your option also requires 28 different dealers to have independently decided that his knives were made in the US, including one dealer that only sells US blades.

Your option requires him to have gotten into a contract to sell with a dealer that only sells us knives.

We also know that he hasn't been labeling his knives with country of origin as required.

We know that Hoback has lied. You can stop pretending he hasn't.
 
3D Anvil said:
Frankly, that's not what you've done at all. You've assumed that Hoback is the worst human on earth and used that as the basis for your entire analysis.
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Lol. Yeah, he assumed that while he was marching to lynch the guy.

No one is saying that Hoback is the worst human on earth, and your hyperbole is silly.

Hell, Hoback ain't even the worst dude there's a GBU thread about.
 
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