When it's not exactly Made in the USA - Hoback

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3D Anvil said:
How many times do I have to say that I don't give him the benefit of the doubt? I've said repeatedly that he should have been more proactive in correcting the COO information. I'm just not prepared to say that he lied directly to the dealers when all evidence suggests that he didn't. His website NEVER claimed that his knives were 100% USA made. His own listing for his knives lists NO country of origin. And no dealer has claimed that he told them his knives were 100% USA made. But if you insist on believing something with no evidence to back it up, then that's what you're going to do (over and over and over again).
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It's possible that 28 dealers made the same assumption that Hoback's knives were all made in America. I could even venture a hypothetical guess that they'd look at his customs with awareness of where they are made and draw a conclusion; one that was underinformed unless they went digging and figured out they technically don't know where it came from. I would guess that same thing applies to the private owners of sumos.
What I do know is that Hoback didn't take any steps to alert the public, and all we have is his word (for what that's worth) that he notified some (not even all) of these dealers.
We have no evidence that the dealers all were labeling these "Made in the USA" with ill intent, either- I'm less inclined to believe 28 different companies were up to unethical shenanigans.

For once and for all- leave the dealers out of it.

Jake Hoback for whatever reason, perhaps carelessness, thoughtlessness or in full knowledge of opportunistic gains, decided to obfuscate the country of origin.
Then, in full knowledge of his screw up, elected to press on with the lie instead of getting in front of it.
This mess is completely his doing and it starts and ends with him.

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3D Anvil said:
Yeah, not really caring about that video because it's not clear and he doesn't appear to be talking to a dealer.
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I don’t know.. early on it seemed there was some plausible deniability but at this point he’s done as far as I’m concerened. He has ghosted instagram, and he isn’t doing enough to put out the bonfire this has become. Why die on this hill?
 
3D Anvil said:
Yeah, not really caring about that video because it's not clear and he doesn't appear to be talking to a dealer.
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WHOOP WHOOP GOAL POSTS MOVEMENT ALERT.

So, now it's still not Jake's fault, because he wasn't speaking to a dealer? Also, please stop with your repeated attempts to dismiss a video in which Jake lies to a potential customer. It's getting embarrassing. The customer's question, and Jake's response is clear as day if you're wearing headphones.
 
EngrSorenson said:
It's possible that 28 dealers made the same assumption that Hoback's knives were all made in America. I could even venture a hypothetical guess that they'd look at his customs with awareness of where they are made and draw a conclusion; one that was underinformed unless they went digging and figured out they technically don't know where it came from. I would guess that same thing applies to the private owners of sumos.
What I do know is that Hoback didn't take any steps to alert the public, and all we have is his word (for what that's worth) that he notified some (not even all) of these dealers.
We have no evidence that the dealers all were labeling these "Made in the USA" with ill intent, either- I'm less inclined to believe 28 different companies were up to unethical shenanigans.

For once and for all- leave the dealers out of it.

Jake Hoback for whatever reason, perhaps carelessness, thoughtlessness or in full knowledge of opportunistic gains, decided to obfuscate the country of origin.
Then, in full knowledge of his screw up, elected to press on with the lie instead of getting in front of it.
This mess is completely his doing and it starts and ends with him.

end of story.
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I agree with most of that. Except all 28 dealers didn't mislabel the COO. I looked at a random sampling and about half the ones I checked didn't list any COO, just like Hoback's website. And I'm not giving the dealers 0% liability, because THEY actually started all of this by listing the wrong COO information. But certainly Hoback deserves the lion's share of the blame for letting it go on so long.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
I don’t know.. early on it seemed there was some plausible deniability but at this point he’s done as far as I’m concerened. He has ghosted instagram, and he isn’t doing enough to put out the bonfire this has become. Why die on this hill?
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Who's dying? It's nothing personal to me. Just trying to look at the facts objectively. Repeating the same BS claims over and over tends to make people believe those claims, but it doesn't make them true. I think it's important to keep that distinction.
 
3D Anvil said:
I agree with most of that. Except all 28 dealers didn't mislabel the COO. I looked at a random sampling and about half the ones I checked didn't list any COO, just like Hoback's website. And I'm not giving the dealers 0% liability, because THEY actually started all of this by listing the wrong COO information. But certainly Hoback deserves the lion's share of the blame for letting it go on so long.
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Well hey, at least it looks like you're starting to come around.
 
Quiet said:
WHOOP WHOOP GOAL POSTS MOVEMENT ALERT.

So, now it's still not Jake's fault, because he wasn't speaking to a dealer? Also, please stop with your repeated attempts to dismiss a video in which Jake lies to a potential customer. It's getting embarrassing. The customer's question, and Jake's response is clear as day if you're wearing headphones.
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Yeah, and the video still isn't clear, so have fun with that.
 
3D Anvil said:
Who's dying? It's nothing personal to me. Just trying to look at the facts objectively. Repeating the same BS claims over and over tends to make people believe those claims, but it doesn't make them true. I think it's important to keep that distinction.
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I agree, which is why the fact that you keep blaming the dealers when it's clear the deception by Jake was intentional, and motivated by profit far outstrips your attempts to blame the dealers.

#unintentionalirony
 
3D Anvil said:
Who's dying? It's nothing personal to me. Just trying to look at the facts objectively. Repeating the same BS claims over and over tends to make people believe those claims, but it doesn't make them true. I think it's important to keep that distinction.
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Yes but people are angry, and at some point we gotta stop giving Hoback the benefit of the doubt. I was there once days ago but the guy isn’t doing squat about this. No PR, no Instagram videos, yanking videos and posts, the guy is an absolute mess right now and he’s scared. I tried to be objective and neutral at first but.. its a runaway train now and he did nothing to slow it down. It’s over.
 
3D Anvil said:
Yeah, and the video still isn't clear, so have fun with that.
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It is, just not to you, because it destroys your entire position (as I've already stated). Listen, I hope Jake is paying you really well, because this thread is starting to be about going in circles with you.
 
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"I'm fine...everything's fine. I mean, you tell one teensy little white lie..."
 
Quiet said:
I agree, which is why the fact that you keep blaming the dealers when it's clear the deception by Jake was intentional, and motivated by profit far outstrips your attempts to blame the dealers.

#unintentionalirony
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Except not only isn't it clear, but in fact there's literally no evidence to suggest that there was outright deception.
 
3D Anvil said:
Except not only isn't it clear, but in fact there's literally no evidence to suggest that there was outright deception.
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Your intentional obliviousness is irrelevant. Literally everyone on the Internet except you, has no issue hearing the exchange between a potential customer and Jake Hoback in the background. Your pathetic attempts at dismissing the video because it completely destroys your position is getting really weak, please stop.
 
Quiet said:
This is objectively false, since you've been blaming the dealers for Jake's deceptive (and possibly illegal) business practices since around what, page 3?
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Nope, I've said from day 1 that they both have some responsibility for the situation. The dealers created the situation when they assumed COO instead of actually checking. Hoback prolonged it and made it so much worse by not doing enough to set the record straight.
 
Quiet said:
Your intentional obliviousness is irrelevant. Literally everyone on the Internet except you, has no issue hearing the exchange between a potential customer and Jake Hoback in the background. Your pathetic attempts at dismissing the video because it completely destroys your position is getting really weak, please stop.
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Literally at least one other person in this thread responded to the video the same way I did. It's a partial conversation, not on camera, missing context. It would never hold up in court.
 
3D Anvil said:
Literally at least one other person in this thread responded to the video the same way I did. It's a partial conversation, not on camera, missing context. It would never hold up in court.
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You attempted to discern what the dealer he supposedly named was, and even went so far as to make a guess at the name of the dealer. Obviously he didn't name ANY dealer so you ended up with a goose egg on that.

But you can't discern what is being said when someone asked did you make everything here? 🤔

The bias in favor of hoback couldn't be any clearer. The rest of us attempted to discern what was said in both clips and almost unanimously agree.
 
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