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killgar said:
Ooooh, this looks like fun. I'll play.

A few thoughts on copying the knife design of another company.

Did you know that several of the paid sponsors of Bladeforums sell copies? Not only does Bladeforums accept money from those vendors in exchange for having their businesses promoted on this forum, but the moderators here regularly recommend that the members of Bladeforums buy knives from those vendors.

Here are a few links from Knifecenter.com, a paid BF sponsor, and a popular vendor among many here at BF-

Now tell me that the two knives below are not direct copies of the Buck 110? I find it hard to believe that Schrade coincidentally designed a knife out of thin air that just happens to be an almost identical copy of one of the most popular knives in the history of knives.

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SC...paw-lockback-folding-knife-blade-wood-handles

http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/SC...-5-inch-Closed-Lockback-Stainless-Steel-Blade

And here are a few links from another BF sponsor- Bladeplay.com/Bladehq.com-

Now tell me that the first link, a United Cutlery Honshu Fighter, that costs $38, isn't a copy of the next link, a Cold Steel Tai Pan, that costs over $300. Or again, am I supposed to believe that United just happened to design a knife that is almost identical to a much more expensive knife?

http://www.Bladeplay.com/item--United-Cutlery-Honshu-Fighter-I-DE--9086

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Cold-Stelel-Tai-Pan-Fixed--5150

And that's just two examples, and two paid sponsors of Bladeforums. Many more sell the same knives, and the same brands.

And in case you didn't know, the owner of Bladeforums also sells that very same United Honshu Fighter in his knife store, which is also on the list of paid sponsors.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with copies. I don't think those companies that make them, or the vendors who sell them, are doing anything wrong, or that they should feel the least bit ashamed of themselves or what they sell.

But all this begs the question- if anyone here feels so strongly that "copies" hurt the knife industry, hurt the knife community, and that selling copies is something despicable, and if you feel so strongly about the theft of "intellectual property", does that mean you are going to leave Bladeforums and end your membership here? After all, like I said, Bladeforums is owned by someone who sells copies, and Bladeforums is in business with vendors who sell copies, and those vendors who sell copies are being OFFICIALLY promoted on this forum.

As for me, I'm going to stick around. ;)

And for the record, I draw a clear distinction between "copies" and "counterfeits". And I feel very differently about them. This post was about "copies".
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I'm curious why no one is discussing kilgars post? raises a lot of questions and is relevant to this whole plethora of bickering in this thread
 
killgar said:
Was this thread ever on the rails?

Considering how it started, I'd say the train blew it's engine back in the station. :D
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But you've gone too far man!

We can't blanket everything with "human morality is always questionable" because this is not an issue of morality, this is an issue of politics and economics on a global scale and how that's all working out for everyone.
 
stonproject said:
I'm curious why no one is discussing kilgars post? raises a lot of questions and is relevant to this whole plethora of bickering in this thread
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Because it would involve calling out the sponsors and owner of the board in the same measure that they call out companies that aren't sold by sponsors?

The behaviors we're talking about aren't rational and don't apply outside this bubble called Bladeforums. The same stuff doesn't get swallowed with such gusto in other hobbies or other websites. It is a local meme.
 
The relevant part is around 16s


[video=youtube_share;1fuDDqU6n4o]http://youtu.be/1fuDDqU6n4o[/video]


I am sure if you talk to Chris Reeve about counterfeits, he would have plenty to say, as would many manufacturers.
 
killgar said:
Wait, I just did a Google search and looked that up (Latin).

Well, you quoted my post, where I said I shop at Walmart and own some Ganzo switchblades, then you said "I let my money speak for my values. I wish more people would do the same".

So I was curious to know just how far you take that principle. Does it have limits? Do you base all of your buying on that principle? Or does it only apply to knives and Walmart?
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I already replied to you in the comment immediately prior to this one.

I make every purchase with knowledge of the company I am supporting. If it is within my means to choose to support a company that is morally upright instead of one whose methods I feel are damaging, I will do so.

But you were right, this is most definitely off-topic to the topic on hand. Note my linked reply to you...
 
RX-79G said:
Because it would involve calling out the sponsors and owner of the board in the same measure that they call out companies that aren't sold by sponsors?

The behaviors we're talking about aren't rational and don't apply outside this bubble called Bladeforums. The same stuff doesn't get swallowed with such gusto in other hobbies or other websites. It is a local meme.
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Maybe just stop at some point? Every thread you do this in reminds me of.....
[video=youtube;XGAVTwhsyOs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGAVTwhsyOs[/video]
 
JR88FAN said:
But you've gone too far man!

We can't blanket everything with "human morality is always questionable" because this is not an issue of morality, this is an issue of politics and economics on a global scale and how that's all working out for everyone.
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I wasn't the one who brought up personal values. If a person is going to quote me, and then say that they won't do what I do because it goes against their values, and that more people should act as they do as though their values represent the proper way to live, I might inquire regarding those values.
 
RX-79G said:
I already posted this:



And I am not going to ask such a stupid, loaded question. The official answer is always going to be either "no" or "I don't know". There is simply no way to measure something like that.

Does Sal have something to be concerned about with actual counterfeit? Yes, and so does his customers that spend Spyderco prices and get junk. Does Chris Reeve think he is losing business to this SRM:
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C'mon.
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Fine. I will go get someone to help explain this to you.....
 
KingMC said:
I make every purchase with knowledge of the company I am supporting. If it is within my means to choose to support a company that is morally upright instead of one whose methods I feel are damaging, I will do so.
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Makes sense, and I can respect that position.

I apologize if one of my previous posts appeared to question your morality, or suggested that you are a hypocrite, neither was my intent.

I for one do not judge a person, or their values, based on what they purchase, or how they decide what to purchase.
 
killgar said:
Makes sense, and I can respect that position.

I apologize if one of my previous posts appeared to question your morality, or suggested that you are a hypocrite, neither was my intent.

I for one do not judge a person based on what they purchase, or how they decide what to purchase.
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I'm not sure we were discussing the purchases of individuals but rather the morality of individuals who would defend companies guilty of design theft. I think it got lumped in by accident...
 
stonproject said:
I'm curious why no one is discussing kilgars post? raises a lot of questions and is relevant to this whole plethora of bickering in this thread
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This isn't an actual discussion of facts and relevant points, it's a demolition derby. People just going around in circles banging into each other. :D
 
benchwarmer380 said:
Maybe make more money then?

I am very far from rich or having too much money, yet I have 2 Sebenzas, an Alan Davis, and a few other hand made knives. A few relatively expensive productions knives. For the past week I've been carrying my old school molded clip Delica that I got in a trade for a Buck 110. I've traded and sold off other relatively expensive knives and still have my Rat 1 and Kershaw Select Fire.

This is what I love about knives, you can find great quality and a variety of styles at every price point. Buy what you can afford and be happy.

We all can't or wont have a Ferrari. Or will we?
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Lol!!
 
KingMC said:
I'm not sure we were discussing the purchases of individuals but rather the morality of individuals who would defend companies guilty of design theft. I think it got lumped in by accident...
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The "morality of individuals who would defend companies guilty of design theft". Geez. You've got get all the way past convincing everyone that there was theft before you can decide that anyone is defending them and that makes those people immoral. I'll bet you would have been handy at a witch trial.


I can see this issue either way. I just refuse to see it both ways at the same time. Either kick the Schrade/United Cutlery crap off the sponsor sites and ban discussion of Microtech, or let people have their SRM knives that are original designs.

Right now your side is just calling for a morality of convenience.
 
So, nobody wants a part of this. I failed.

In a way I understand, but I will always believe that the war to educate people on why this matters needs to be fought right here with customers and not with politicians.

All I can do is present what I have been given.

And I know, if we are not in the industry then why should we care?

Because, this, and things like this are effecting every industry, and eventually will effect what you do, or what someone you love does, if it hasn't already.

http://www.akti.org/news/contending-with-counterfeits/
 
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