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Another Paypal Discussion
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Well said Daddyo16.
Oh my Grey my friend the question is dose Walgreens take PayPal ?
You know I'm not sure. I wonder if I could 'gift' myself some Thorazine? Or Zoloft? Or SI 50th ani mag? Or a knife. Must say knife. Not in W&C. Knife. Kinife. Paypal no fees gift knife. Dead Cat.
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My CU directed me to this service... It's a transfer service, similar to PayPal.
www.popmoney.com
Hopefully there will be more alternatives to PayPal in the near future. I think PP's appeal rests in it's incumbency, nothing else. PayPal needs some competition. PP doesn't offer much value besides a false sense of security and speed. Anyone who has bothered to read their legal disclaimers would realize PayPal doesn't offer strong protections to users. Sure, they say they do, but in practice when something goes wrong, PayPal quietly sees itself out of the picture and awards the party who poses the least expense to PayPal. It's up to the trading parties to actually trade with skill and timeliness. Without that PayPal would crash and burn. So PayPal's speed and convenience holds the vast majority of it's value. That can't be too hard to beat.
www.popmoney.com
Hopefully there will be more alternatives to PayPal in the near future. I think PP's appeal rests in it's incumbency, nothing else. PayPal needs some competition. PP doesn't offer much value besides a false sense of security and speed. Anyone who has bothered to read their legal disclaimers would realize PayPal doesn't offer strong protections to users. Sure, they say they do, but in practice when something goes wrong, PayPal quietly sees itself out of the picture and awards the party who poses the least expense to PayPal. It's up to the trading parties to actually trade with skill and timeliness. Without that PayPal would crash and burn. So PayPal's speed and convenience holds the vast majority of it's value. That can't be too hard to beat.
As a very, very, new member here with zero sales or purchases as of yet, I find it a little funny that the folks opposed to changing the rules seem to be complaining more about that than the folks who want to ban the "gift" option do about shady sellers.
I'd also add that I won't buy anything from anyone who willfully ignores the rules they agreed to follow when they signed up to use the services of Paypal. Not because I need to protect the financial interests of Paypal but because it's simply wrong. I don't cheat people and I do my best to not associate with people who do. How much money Paypal is worth is interesting but completely irrelevant. Last I checked no one put a gun to my head and forced me or anyone else to use Paypal.
Some sellers seem to be unwilling to comprehend that they're simply paying for services provided that they'd have to pay for some other way if they don't use Paypal. A simple comparison of the costs involved in setting up an account to take credit cards and making bank deposits compared to the costs of using Paypal would show which is cheaper pretty quickly. Particularly for an individual who makes relatively small and infrequent sales as I'm guessing many of the sellers here do.
Waiting to be told my POV isn't valid due to my lack of marketplace transactions here...;^)
I'd also add that I won't buy anything from anyone who willfully ignores the rules they agreed to follow when they signed up to use the services of Paypal. Not because I need to protect the financial interests of Paypal but because it's simply wrong. I don't cheat people and I do my best to not associate with people who do. How much money Paypal is worth is interesting but completely irrelevant. Last I checked no one put a gun to my head and forced me or anyone else to use Paypal.
Some sellers seem to be unwilling to comprehend that they're simply paying for services provided that they'd have to pay for some other way if they don't use Paypal. A simple comparison of the costs involved in setting up an account to take credit cards and making bank deposits compared to the costs of using Paypal would show which is cheaper pretty quickly. Particularly for an individual who makes relatively small and infrequent sales as I'm guessing many of the sellers here do.
Waiting to be told my POV isn't valid due to my lack of marketplace transactions here...;^)
Popmoney doesnt allow transactions involving knives or "weapons that are regulated under the law". Given that many countries, states, and cities regulate knives there's a fair chance that using it to buy a knife might be prohibited. They also don't allow any transactions involving firearms, something that's been commented on numerous times with regards to Paypal and their "no firearms" policy.
Popmoney also specifically denies any liability whatsoever for any goods sold or transactions paid for using their service including verification of identities.
Their fees are attractive, 95 cents per transaction.
As soon as the world stop spinning for moment I'm going to write up a sticky thread for the exchange, as well as make a modification to the rules. I'm sure many folks won't read it on their own, unless we point it out. I suspect we will be doing a lot of that. We just need to sort out a couple things before going forward.
Reposted here. Based on presented evidence this is kind of moot point isn't it, ?
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No, it isn't.
Threads just like this one have caused many to stop using the Gift option, and many have stopped asking for a PP fee as well because of threads like these.
Many don't even know its wrong until they see a thread like this. If you had been here long enough to read the many threads you would know that. Its also evident by looking at the sales exchange. If it very clear that these type of threads have caused many to follow the PP TOS.
I was one of those myself, and threads like this is what stoped me and many others from doing it.
I never even read my PP TOS until someone posted it in one of these threads a few years ago. Yes, I should've read it sooner.
People are still getting burned by using the Gift option, but not as often as they once were.
If its a moot point for you all you need to do is avoid these threads.
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Pay Pal is not a bank
this is something many folks forget.
It has no legal obligation to act like a bank despite the fact the often offer "debit" cards like a bank
they are a private corporation owned in whole by EBay, inc LLC
you agree to their draconian terms upon using their services
you agree to let them randomly hold your funds, deduct your funds for no apparent reason, and often
just plain keep them refusing to pay them out to you for some reason you will never understand.
As long as people keep letting them do what they want, they will continue to act like a bank while
not being one or held to the level of security of one as mandated by the Federal laws
oh yeah, in case you haven't figured it out
I am not a fan of pay pal, they have ripped me off too many times in the past
and eBay's incestuous relationship with them allows them to seize funds out of accounts
with out your permission and there is NOTHING you can do as long as you have ever agreed to
their TOS.
this is something many folks forget.
It has no legal obligation to act like a bank despite the fact the often offer "debit" cards like a bank
they are a private corporation owned in whole by EBay, inc LLC
you agree to their draconian terms upon using their services
you agree to let them randomly hold your funds, deduct your funds for no apparent reason, and often
just plain keep them refusing to pay them out to you for some reason you will never understand.
As long as people keep letting them do what they want, they will continue to act like a bank while
not being one or held to the level of security of one as mandated by the Federal laws
oh yeah, in case you haven't figured it out
I am not a fan of pay pal, they have ripped me off too many times in the past
and eBay's incestuous relationship with them allows them to seize funds out of accounts
with out your permission and there is NOTHING you can do as long as you have ever agreed to
their TOS.
Not a moot point at all. I've been pretty busy the last 2-3 weeks with work and family. I've been posting from my phone most of that time. Hard post something like new rules from a phone, the editing gets messy and with large hands and a smaller phone it's not a quick change.
Sticky'd threads as previously stated by other mods, is the perfect way to hide information that no one will read. As it stands now, there are too many sticky'd threads in this area as it is. Also, people will continue to be careless, the only thing we can do is hope they use a shred of common sense in their deals and not feel that we are obligated to correct their own carelessness. Still spinning...
Same here. As I've stated previously many times before I wasn't aware that using Gift or asking the buyer to pay the fee's was against PP's TOS until I read a thread just like this one some years back...
I believe there is tremendous value in these threads on this subject. The more times it comes up the better!
They help and benefit the community as a whole and I'm all for that.
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This REALLY bugged me but I didn't want to clutter up the sales thread so here it is...
A seller had a knife up for several hundred bucks, "shipped and paypaled". Sounds simple enough. The next line was "the buyer is responsible for the fees". Someone else asked what those fees were and the seller said that he was referring to paypal fees. Now I don't know about you but if someone says "shipped and paypaled", you'd think that they were probably going to take care of paypal fees...urgh! :grumpy:
A seller had a knife up for several hundred bucks, "shipped and paypaled". Sounds simple enough. The next line was "the buyer is responsible for the fees". Someone else asked what those fees were and the seller said that he was referring to paypal fees. Now I don't know about you but if someone says "shipped and paypaled", you'd think that they were probably going to take care of paypal fees...urgh! :grumpy:
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Did he even say how much he expected for PayPal fees? Some of them have an inflated idea of what those fees actually are.
Perfect example of why TYD "to your door" is the way to go. All fees and charges included in one unambiguous price, if you want to play games, go to ToysRUs.
Perfect example of why TYD "to your door" is the way to go. All fees and charges included in one unambiguous price, if you want to play games, go to ToysRUs.
Well there is that, of course. But I'd argue that prohibiting the use of the gift option is NOT the same as enforcing "to your door". Just because one unambiguous price is used doesn't mean it's necessarily the lowest price the seller would be willing to accept depending on the payment option selected by the buyer. And I'm not sure BF should put themselves in the position of telling sellers that they have to raise their prices to cover fees for a payment method they may not end up using. As the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right.
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Stop pulling the wool over our eyes. No seller has to raise his price to cover fees that his agreement with PayPal says he eats. And if he does, in a TYD total price, no one has to quibble about fees, shipping, insurance -- just decide if the price for the knife is right and take it.
Anyway, every payment mode has advantages and disadvantages. PayPal costs the seller a few % but gets him his money more quickly and flexibly. Is this worth nothing? It gets the item on its way to the buyer more quickly.
In my last BFC purchase, the seller gave me my iTrader rating before the goods could arrive here -- but he gave it for me paying quickly. (This guy, squam1, is an ace to deal with anyway.)
Payment by check or money order costs the seller nothing -- except his time, waiting for the paper copy to arrive, and taking it be cashed. The buyer pays the freight and waits and waits. Why do you think PayPal is so popular?
Anyway, every payment mode has advantages and disadvantages. PayPal costs the seller a few % but gets him his money more quickly and flexibly. Is this worth nothing? It gets the item on its way to the buyer more quickly.
In my last BFC purchase, the seller gave me my iTrader rating before the goods could arrive here -- but he gave it for me paying quickly. (This guy, squam1, is an ace to deal with anyway.)
Payment by check or money order costs the seller nothing -- except his time, waiting for the paper copy to arrive, and taking it be cashed. The buyer pays the freight and waits and waits. Why do you think PayPal is so popular?
The following text has been added to the Exchange rules and is located in the sticky'd threads composed by me at the top of the Busse, Production folders, Fixed blades, and automatics sections. Now whether people can actually be bothered to read them is another matter out of our control. I'll see how we proceed about the rest of the forums. This is a good start and if people have questions, they can ask and we'll beat that horse to death with common sense too.
Warning: You as a buyer are responsible for using Paypal as it was intended, according to their Terms of Service. Using the "Gift" option revokes any buyer protection you may have if something goes wrong and makes it easier to get scammed. Be smart and protect yourself, if you use gift and get scammed don't come crying to us about it as you've already been advised.
Warning: You as a buyer are responsible for using Paypal as it was intended, according to their Terms of Service. Using the "Gift" option revokes any buyer protection you may have if something goes wrong and makes it easier to get scammed. Be smart and protect yourself, if you use gift and get scammed don't come crying to us about it as you've already been advised.