Bark River, again

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bdmicarta said:
That was my point- it is a red flag. The more fluent he is in discussing the knife, its performance, and expectations from various steels the more of a red flag it is. But I posted a question, not trying to make a blatant accusation. The OP has addressed the question to some extent.

I'm still curious what KSF will say.
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Do you think someone like, say, Gabe Newell, spends his days posting online rabidly debating his list of "magnificent seven" knives? Does that mean he cannot have extensive knowledge of the cutlery world? What would you say when he pulls out a Bruce D. Bump from his collection? "It can't be real! You don't have ten thousand posts on BF!"

Believe what you will. There are plenty of people in this world who have accumulated much more knowledge on knives than you ever will, yet don't feel the need or have the time to join online discussion boards. Or at the very least, American, english-based ones.
 
Im sorry, but I do not see any reason to doubt him based on his post and the past reputation of Mike and Bark River. If him being new here is the only real reason to cast doubt, then that is pretty weak. I know it happens, but unless this knife was bought as a 2nd, and it was listed as such because of the mislabeled info, I don't see a reason to venture further in the dirction of the OP's status or the lack there of.

Please don't read into my post as being combative. I just don't see his status as being an issue in this situation. Also, for my benifit, how does the "more fluent" make it more of a red flag? Should it not be the "less fluent" the OP is the more it becomes?
 
I am watching this with great interest. Having spent thousands on Bark River knives and purchased through KSF. I hope someone steps up and makes this right. If they were attempting to scam you, they would have used 440a not a carbon steel so doesn't look intentional. What you are showing looks like a2.. not 3v. 3v dosen't patina from bananas I have lots of 3v barkies and a few in a2.

If I know this, I am sure KSF and BR would know it. So something is ether not being communicated to the right people there or someone is giving you the brush. I have knives in 20cv, 3v, a2.. I am half tempted to do this test myself..
 
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mlmcasual said:
I am watching this with great interest. Having spent thousands on Bark River knives and purchased through KSF. I hope someone steps up and makes this right. If they were attempting to scam you, they would have used 440a not a carbon steel so doesn't look intentional. What you are showing looks like a2.. not 3v. 3v dosen't patina from bananas I have lots of 3v barkies and a few in a2.

If I know this, I am sure KSF and BR would know it. So something is ether not being communicated to the right people there or someone is giving you the brush. I have knives in 20cv, 3v, a2.. I am half tempted to do this test myself..
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mlmcasual, one of the suspicious things to me is that the knife came coated in oil the way only carbon steels come coated in oil. Sometimes you'll receive a folder with lubricant from the pivot having leaked on the blade during transit, but it still doesn't coat the entire blade evenly.

This leads me to wonder... if it was indeed a blunder, perhaps Bark River only found out after these knives were ready to ship and decided to coat them in oil to prevent oxidation, then shipped them anyway. Of course, a decent company would've scrapped the batch, taken the loss and made a new one. Or at least remove the 20CV stamp and replace it with the proper steel ID.

Or maybe they oil all their knives. I don't know. I also have no concrete proof my knife was oiled, as I had no reason to suspect foul play at the time, so you're free to believe me or not on this one.
 
craytab said:
So no KSF yet? This is odd. They are normally very responsive. Even if they are doing some leg work behind the scenes it would be nice if they would chime in and say so...
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This is paramount to the discussion, he is usually all over the forums. I had 5 or 6 BRK's before I started on the forums and have sold them all but one since that time...I really wish KSF would chime in since his move to Escanaba, MI really makes this look bad.
 
Subscribed. As a newer consumer in the industry I'll be interested to here what if anything the company that sold you the knife has to say about all of this.
 
OilMan said:
Sent Mike a heads up on FB, he doesn't hang out at the forums that I used to see him on anymore..
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I let Mike know there was some drama on here regarding him/BarkRiver and he replied that there is usually drama here. Didn't sound like he was going to look but I left it at that FWIW. Who knows, he may still show up. Also for what it's worth I've had decent luck with Bark River on the 2 knives I've owned from them.
 
OilMan said:
I let Mike know there was some drama on here regarding him/BarkRiver and he replied that there is usually drama here. Didn't sound like he was going to look but I left it at that FWIW. Who knows, he may still show up. Also for what it's worth I've had decent luck with Bark River on the 2 knives I've owned from them.
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I wouldn't expect anything from Mike on this. I would expect KSF to step up and take an interest. If KSF doesn't it looks like DLT would. I've been happy with the performance of the BRKTs I've owned. The company and owner leave a lot to be desired though. Not looking to purchase anymore and this is confirming that decision.
 
Customer service can make or break a company. The knife space is pretty crowded. No one should risk becoming irrelevant over a very fixable situation.
 
I agree it is suspect when someone makes a a profile and 1st thing is "bashing" not saying you are a "hoax" or something. I have had great experiences with both Bark River and Knivesshipfree.com so I hope you just keep on keeping us updated. Is anyone one here willing to call either Bark River or KSF on his behalf? Mike Stewart is member on knife forums.com or he used to be bark river has a presence there anyways I would take your complaint there where they would for sure see it.
 
OilMan said:
I let Mike know there was some drama on here regarding him/BarkRiver and he replied that there is usually drama here. Didn't sound like he was going to look but I left it at that FWIW. Who knows, he may still show up. Also for what it's worth I've had decent luck with Bark River on the 2 knives I've owned from them.
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Some drama?? Wouldn't it have been more constructive to say that there were some steel questions that people would like answered regarding a knife of his?

From reading his posts on other forums, he sure comes across as the expert on all knife steels so his simple take on how 20CV should act in vinegar would have been warranted, not to mention that it's his product in question.

You only own 2 BRK knives that you've only had "decent luck" with (whatever that means) yet you have a direct line of communication with Mike Stewart and are clearly being counterproductive in resolving this issue. Sure thing....
 
I agree "drama"... "decent luck"... if you have contact with him ask him about the specific problem. Does he really want to be part of Drama? If you like him or not Bark River is wildly successful currently and as such I doubt he wants apart of drama but maybe interested in a specific issue.

Jsega51 said:
Some drama?? Wouldn't it have been more constructive to say that there were some steel questions that people would like answered regarding a knife of his?

From reading his posts on other forums, he sure comes across as the expert on all knife steels so his simple take on how 20CV should act in vinegar would have been warranted, not to mention that it's his product in question.

You only own 2 BRK knives that you've only had "decent luck" with (whatever that means) yet you have a direct line of communication with Mike Stewart and are clearly being counterproductive in resolving this issue. Sure thing....
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In regards to the supposed "red flag" that a few are labeling the OP with, I think it would be a concern if he simply signed up and started a thread titled "Bark River Sucks!!" and then filled his first few posts as walls of incomprehensible text. Which has happened many times.

However, he signed up, and has done nothing but present some pretty valid questions backed up with pics, tests, and obviously some prior knowledge. I see nothing that stands out as a "red flag". The guy even knew how to use Google as a search function properly! Something that many wish the new members did. That speaks volumes that he's probably read most of the info and discussions on this site and tried to answer his questions before signing up. The old adage of "read more, post less" was used as intended and it clearly worked.
 
I know the OP wants the focus to be on BRKT and rightly so. Yet it is odd not to hear from the seller as they are a BF Dealer.

I'm not really sure what KSF can do. The OP doesn't want a refund or even a different knife it seems. He only wants to inform the public of the situation at Bark River Knives.

KSF denied any responsibility and passed the OP to the warranty of BRKT. BRKT denied any fault. KSF has now avoided the situation publicly and doesn't appear to concerned with the "usual drama."

So, since there is no chance in hearing from Bark River how could KSF address this correctly considering how invested they are with BRKT and the OP doesn't want anything but to inform?
 
I'm a big fan of KSF and Derrick Bohn. I pm'd them a link to this thread, and Craytab did as well. I haven't noticed them viewing the thread, so they may not yet have become aware of it (not everyone logs on here every day). I continue to assume that they'll appear and let us know that they will get to the bottom of the issue. As the sellers, they certainly have an obligation to at least find out what's up - even if OP doesn't want anything from them.
 
Jsega51 said:
In regards to the supposed "red flag" that a few are labeling the OP with, I think it would be a concern if he simply signed up and started a thread titled "Bark River Sucks!!" and then filled his first few posts as walls of incomprehensible text. Which has happened many times.

However, he signed up, and has done nothing but present some pretty valid questions backed up with pics, tests, and obviously some prior knowledge. I see nothing that stands out as a "red flag". The guy even knew how to use Google as a search function properly! Something that many wish the new members did. That speaks volumes that he's probably read most of the info and discussions on this site and tried to answer his questions before signing up. The old adage of "read more, post less" was used as intended and it clearly worked.
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I agree, Jake.

Anyone looking for a red flag need look no further than here:

Normal 20CV behavior?


Excerpted from the linked thread (Read the whole thread):

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OP has been a gentleman from his first post. His attitude does not steer me to the usual one post wonders.
He has answered every question and stated his position. He has stuck with this position firmly.
I am NOT getting that 'troll' feeling.
Also, I appreciate him for bringing his experience here.
Hang in there FM!! Hopefully some 'good' will come from this mess brother.
Joe
 
palonej said:
OP has been a gentleman from his first post. His attitude does not steer me to the usual one post wonders.
He has answered every question and stated his position. He has stuck with this position firmly.
I am NOT getting that 'troll' feeling.
Also, I appreciate him for bringing his experience here.
Hang in there FM!! Hopefully some 'good' will come from this mess brother.
Joe
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Thank you for the support palonej, Jake, Al, and everybody else. There will always be skeptics. They can believe what they want, I don't care. I've presented the evidence as best and as objectively as I could, what people take from it is out of my control.

If no good comes out of this thread, I'll make sure to deliver some good of my own. There are tremendous people here, and I've learned a lot from the wealth of information that's been built by the countless users over the years. I'll use this opportunity to give a little back to this community in whatever manner I can.
 
Once again your character shines from your posts FM! Pretty simple to see your integrity.
Hopefully you will hang around as most members are great people.

On a different note......your written English is excellent. As it isn't your first language, I'll throw one of these your way my friend.....[emoji106]!!
English is a bear to learn and a grizzly to write!
Joe
 
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ForgedMaple said:
Thank you for the support palonej, Jake, Al, and everybody else. There will always be skeptics. They can believe what they want, I don't care. I've presented the evidence as best and as objectively as I could, what people take from it is out of my control.

If no good comes out of this thread, I'll make sure to deliver some good of my own. There are tremendous people here, and I've learned a lot from the wealth of information that's been built by the countless users over the years. I'll use this opportunity to give a little back to this community in whatever manner I can.
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I think your continued participation on BF would need an asset to the community.

Don't worry about English not being your first language. Your communication is excellent and grammer is better than most of us.
 
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