Beware of nirvanero

Pete1977 said:
benya could have prevented shooting himself in the foot with this deal if only his whole attitude was more understanding that maybe he DID make a mistake instead of accusing a new member of trying to screw him.
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He just didn't want to talk with me. Called me a lier and just after that posted this thread, knowing I was going to upload the photos after work. From then the only thing he's done is keeping saying that I must send his "NIB knife" in order to recover $300 (and lose $95 or even $395 as I guess).

I've bought online a lot of knifes and the only problems I had before this were: a german store sent me a Spyderco ATR SE version, not the PE I've ordered. They made a discount as actually didn't have PE version... And Knifeworks sent me a knife with a little defect and they even offered running with shipping costs...

This attitude "give me back my NIB knife I never sent you" says it all. He didn't argue anything. I'm happy this thread made other people explain their bad experiences with this lier (so far taking advantage of his no negative feedback status).
 
the problem here is that if you do send the knife back, all he has to do is say that it isn't the same knife (although why would you spend almost $400 to get a knife and switch it out with one in lesser condition and lose $100 in the process of back and forth shipping?) or that you carried and used the knife (even though you stated several times that you have a military collection and weren't looking for a user...why you would use it first makes no sense either). You are in a catch-22 nirvanero. Personally I think you got taken advantage of either by a guy who wanted to get the most for his money for a less than mint knife (and assuming because you were new to BF that you were new to knives altogether) or his idea of NIB is much different than the rest of the knife community.
 
Pete1977 said:
the problem here is that if you do send the knife back, all he has to do is say that it isn't the same knife (although why would you spend almost $400 to get a knife and switch it out with one in lesser condition and lose $100 in the process of back and forth shipping?) or that you carried and used the knife (even though you stated several times that you have a military collection and weren't looking for a user...why you would use it first makes no sense either). You are in a catch-22 nirvanero. Personally I think you got taken advantage of either by a guy who wanted to get the most for his money for a less than mint knife (and assuming because you were new to BF that you were new to knives altogether) or his idea of NIB is much different than the rest of the knife community.
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I don't believe he thought this could pass as a NIB knife except he has a sight problem. If mine was an isolated case or if he had acknowledge it someone could think he didn't do it on purpose... anyway, I'm not the first of Igor's ethics victims.

I've been talking to another member I made a deal with about this situation and just answered "IIRC. he was trouble years ago."

Igor has made bad deals and got zero negative feddback, so maybe people should think about not being afraid of reporting his frauds.
 
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I think the best way to handle this situation for the seller is to compensate you monetarily for the fact that this is not a new item. This avoids the chance of him getting the knife and saying that you sent him the wrong knife as well as having to avoid all the high costs in shipping.
 
Just curious - you have paid a lot more than $395 on duty fees, haven't you? I think sending back knife don't return you $95 for shipping nor a bit more $$$ for fees...
I'd keep knife and ask $$$ (it depends) for "not as described" item back.
 
Liveitloud said:
I think there is a difference between feedback on Ebay and your reputation here. You get about 25 words to explain when you leave feedback on Ebay. This has gone for 6 pages and has been pretty compelling. You are right about people not knowing they were duped until after they have left their big thumbs up though. I know that I report about 6-10 fake Spyderco's a month on Ebay and not one single auction has ended early.

I must admit that threads like this and others I have read over the years are the exact reason I don't do more purchases in the exchange. I have had 2 dealings here that were less than perfect and will not be reflected in iTrader feedback. One was returned with no issue and the other I had to order a part to make the knife whole after emailing the seller for months about the part and being told that they were out of stock on it. I called and got it delivered to the house no charge in less than a week.

If everybody just guided themselves on the premise of honesty and disclosure there would be a lot less threads like these. To the original poster I really hope you are somehow made whole on this deal and thank you for being brave and putting yourself out there!
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When I joined BF I had two bad deals, one with a long-standing member and the other with a moderator (I never saw him moderate anything, but when I wanted to put him on ignore I couldn't).
In both cases I bought a NIB/mint knife and received in one case a damaged knife that I had to send back to Spyderco for repairs, and in the other case a knife that showed visible signs of carry. I sold the latter on eBay with an accurate description and lost $40. At the time I had not even heard of iTrader and I was buying mostly on eBay and the Benchmade Forum. I figured that my word against those two established members would be worth little, and I chose to shut up.
Now, seeing how nirvanero stood up to Benya I regret my choice, and that's why I sided with him so strongly, guys like Benya are a dishonor to any forum and the lesson from this is that we should listen to new members when they have something to say. Post count or Itrader feedback are not absolute truths (feedback on eBay even less so, just look at Spydieguys).
Now I hope that nirvanero finds an agreement with Benya about his knife, although now that he has been exposed he has very little motivation to make it right. And personally there is nothing he can do that will change my opinion of him.
 
laurin said:
Just curious - you have paid a lot more than $395 on duty fees, haven't you? I think sending back knife don't return you $95 for shipping nor a bit more $$$ for fees...
I'd keep knife and ask $$$ (it depends) for "not as described" item back.
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I've asked for $120 as he lied about knife condition and shipping costs (don't care too much about that $5 or $10). He didn't even consider making me an offer, talking about what happened... anything. He didn't wait for my photos in this forum. He was so worried about his "status" on this forum that rushed to open this thread.

Now we know he's been doing this more than once, and as Lorenzo says "he has very little motivation to make it right".

He uses this forum for making money (told me he's going to sell Para 2 CF and Para 2 Carpenter Steel coming next year so not a collector mind at all) and I insist that's fine as long as the seller, whoever he is, doesn't lie.
 
LorenzoL said:
When I joined BF I had two bad deals, one with a long-standing member and the other with a moderator (I never saw him moderate anything, but when I wanted to put him on ignore I couldn't).
In both cases I bought a NIB/mint knife and received in one case a damaged knife that I had to send back to Spyderco for repairs, and in the other case a knife that showed visible signs of carry. I sold the latter on eBay with an accurate description and lost $40. At the time I had not even heard of iTrader and I was buying mostly on eBay and the Benchmade Forum. I figured that my word against those two established members would be worth little, and I chose to shut up.
Now, seeing how nirvanero stood up to Benya I regret my choice, and that's why I sided with him so strongly, guys like Benya are a dishonor to any forum and the lesson from this is that we should listen to new members when they have something to say. Post count or Itrader feedback are not absolute truths (feedback on eBay even less so, just look at Spydieguys).
Now I hope that nirvanero finds an agreement with Benya about his knife, although now that he has been exposed he has very little motivation to make it right. And personally there is nothing he can do that will change my opinion of him.
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Who was the Mod?
 
Originally posted by LorenzoL:
When I joined BF I had two bad deals, one with a long-standing member and the other with a moderator
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Now that you brought that up do the rest of us a favor and name these two folks. If not, you are casting a shadow on the reputations of all mods and long standing members.
 
LorenzoL said:
When I joined BF I had two bad deals, one with a long-standing member and the other with a moderator (I never saw him moderate anything, but when I wanted to put him on ignore I couldn't).
In both cases I bought a NIB/mint knife and received in one case a damaged knife that I had to send back to Spyderco for repairs, and in the other case a knife that showed visible signs of carry.
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That needs to be in its own thread and the moderator needs to be named (and so does the long-standing member). If you just leave that as it stands you're slandering all the moderators and former moderators (a considerable number of people) and you're hijacking nirvanero's thread.
 
Cougar Allen said:
That needs to be in its own thread and the moderator needs to be named (and so does the long-standing member). If you just leave that as it stands you're slandering all the moderators and former moderators (a considerable number of people) and you're hijacking nirvanero's thread.
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Well, this is Igor's thread but I think Lorenzo is just saying he was a newbie and had a bad experience with veteran people from this forum as it happened to me. As I undertand it was long ago and he "turned the page" if he thinks it's over I don't see the point of open a new thread, nor to discuss that in this one.

People just had to tell this sort of things as soon as they happen, the same I did.
 
nirvanero said:
Well, this is Igor's thread but I think Lorenzo is just saying he was a newbie and had a bad experience with veteran people from this forum as it happened to me. As I undertand it was long ago and he "turned the page" if he thinks it's over I don't see the point of open a new thread, nor to discuss that in this one.

People just had to tell this sort of things as soon as they happen, the same I did.
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Exactly, I was not trying to hijack nirvanero's thread or out anybody. Just saying how newbies sometimes get intimidated by post counts and iTrader feedback.
I believe that in one of these cases I mentioned health issues might have played a role, as for the other I never saw a negative feedback thread about that member. The day I see one then I'll share my experience, for the time being I'll turn the page (while bookmarking it) and put it down to bad luck.
 
LorenzoL said:
Exactly, I was not trying to hijack nirvanero's thread or out anybody. Just saying how newbies sometimes get intimidated by post counts and iTrader feedback.
I believe that in one of these cases I mentioned health issues might have played a role, as for the other I never saw a negative feedback thread about that member. The day I see one then I'll share my experience, for the time being I'll turn the page (while bookmarking it) and put it down to bad luck.
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I disagree. You need to name the two names, the Mod in particular. If there is one lesson this thread should teach, is that biting your tongue doesn't help anybody. If the other member's who had bad dealings with Benya would have said something, then Nirvanero would probably not be in the situation he's currently in. Waiting til you see a negative feedback thread is waiting until it's already too late.
 
EMT_Lee said:
If the other member's who had bad dealings with Benya would have said something, then Nirvanero would probably not be in the situation he's currently in. Waiting til you see a negative feedback thread is waiting until it's already too late.
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Just for the record, in my case I did. When I discovered that Benya, was Saf-t-cab, I reported it to a moderator, since he had switched user ID's after a bad deal and both accounts were still open.

Beyond that, I wasn't sure what more I could do, technically his transaction with me went OK, so I wasn't in a position to give negative feedback.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
Just for the record, in my case I did. When I discovered that Benya, was Saf-t-cab, I reported it to a moderator, since he had switched user ID's after a bad deal and both accounts were still open.

Beyond that, I wasn't sure what more I could do, technically his transaction with me went OK, so I wasn't in a position to give negative feedback.
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In Spain there is a forum which asks for some user data when registering in order to prevent people from switching IDs and "clean up" their feedback.
 
EMT_Lee said:
I disagree. You need to name the two names, the Mod in particular. If there is one lesson this thread should teach, is that biting your tongue doesn't help anybody. If the other member's who had bad dealings with Benya would have said something, then Nirvanero would probably not be in the situation he's currently in. Waiting til you see a negative feedback thread is waiting until it's already too late.
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I understand what Lorenzo said about talking of that deals if necessary. I complained about Igor the day I saw the used knife and people told their own bad experiences. I don't see why Lorenzo wouldn't do the same if someone complained about a deal with the same sellers he had trouble.
 
Is there anyway to change the title of this thread or merge it into the other one? The title makes the victim look bad. Just a thought.
 
benyaM95 Ranger Knif said:
I'll ignore any of his email and just wait for knife to arrive. Though I'm not gonna hold my breath.......
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benyaM95 Ranger Knif said:
anyway - I said my peace. I know what I sent, I know what I wrote.
He wants his money back - no prob. I want my knife back. I will not
bend to his attempts of blackmail($120 or else). NO WAY NO HOW.
I don't see a point of repeating myself anymore. Anybody wants anything
from me - send PM.
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Apparently he feels that ignoring the problem will make it go away.
 
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