Buck's Kustom Knife Shop IS still OPEN!

Rocinante said:
Dismay.....I agree...Surprise....maybe.
Justifiable......that remains to be seen...As I said before, I figured this was coming, so I am only sorry I didn't act quicker and buy more......I didn't think it was coming this fast.
Just like Dave, I can honestly say I'm kicking myself for not ordering an MOP Damascus.
I'm not crying because somebody took away my toy, though. People who want to stay in business raise prices, sometimes a lot.
Sometimes they didn't see things coming either ..... so they HAVE TO raise prices a lot.
That's life.Crying rarely helps. I respect the right of those here who wish to do it, though.
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why Howdy rocinante! taint hears from ya for a while... galds ya is not pushing up dasies! hows the misses?
oh yea... knife talk...
humm quite logical reasonable pres-cent-tation!
yep some o de boys may seems ta be a crying a tad...
bird bird... i mean foul! it is the suddenness of it i think...
many of us are kicking our selves were it is a physical impossability to do so..
i is about to gets me wife ta do it for me ..
but she would think it a fine thing to price me outa buying a knife...

we know that one of the Bucks has been a looking and a read'n this here thread...
i supose they expected it to be in a new thread! hee hee that might explain why it took a while to find it...
i dont think a 20 % incress across the board would have up set the cheerleaders but the hudge in creese in some of the things well even i have to wander WTFHappened!?
i am a hopeing that Buck will exam its reasoning and see if there be a way to cut us a break...
it is the damascus and stag that make me wander if'n cabbes made a complaint...
i will say one o my concerns is that this could be the death of the CS knives
the increase is way over what some one can get a after market knife for.. pony and wilde horse and others have jest gotten a pay rase...
if no one orders buck will likely close that option...
they have before...two times...
but it will cost then is what i am saying ...
one in fake customs being sent to buck for repair...
and in that the collectors are infulanced by others
any disapointed with the CS realy realy bad can cause other to not collecto at all ...
there is a demand and some one is going to fill it and some of that work is going to be real bad... my brother got one, he is learning and will ask me now if it is a real one or not... most folks have no one they can ask ... if they get one then they are going to not be buck customers long at all...
well its late wife said turn off computer ...
later guys !
 
Prices of many goods have remained relatively static for years. Why? Improved efficiency in manufacturing, and moving processes south of the border or overseas. The question is, where is the point of diminshing returns with respect to price when it comes to a knife.
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I suspect Buck has hit that point with the 110.

Running as fast as you can to produce huge numbers of knives to sell at a tiny profit?

Seems crazy to me. At some point there won't be enough people interested in buying all those knives.

The smart way is to eliminate as many high-priced employees as you can and start selling fewer knives at a good profit.
 
Rocinante said:
Roc says:


How can any company survive continuing in a wild race to produce zillions of knives that are being sold for less than 25% of their actual value?


Tin Sue says, well, that would be by producing a zillion knives at less than 25% of their value!!!


The way to make money if your market is becoming saturated is to sell fewer knives and charge more money.

Or to sell more knives for less money. Basic Economics 101 will tell you that in a saturated markey, you don't raise your prices!!!
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Maybe this plan of selling a zillion knives for 25 percent of their value hasn't been going as well as we might think.

In a saturated market......you can't sell more knives for less money.

You can only go the other way.
 
Rocinante said:
Maybe this plan of selling a zillion knives for 25 percent of their value hasn't been going as well as we might think.

In a saturated market......you can't sell more knives for less money.

You can only go the other way.
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Who in the world would paid 1000% more money for a saturated item?? Saturated, by defintion, means that there are more goods than buyers. Do you see the auto companies raising their prices when they have an over abundant of vehicles. No, they deeply discound them and offer thousands of dollars in rebates. :confused::confused:
 
Who is the targeted customer when it comes to the custom shop sales? What was their sales volume (CS) prior to the price increase? What was the profit margin? Without knowing these things, it is silly to debate why the decision was made to increase prices. Americans have to face the fact that it is very cheap for foreigners to shop in the U.S. right now. Its great for U.S. company sales volumes, but tough for us when we want to buy our own American made goods.
 
Tin Sue said:
Who in the world would paid 1000% more money for a saturated item?? Saturated, by defintion, means that there are more goods than buyers. :confused::confused:
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Roc says:

There is a good reason for your confusion.

You're talking about the Custom Shoppe......that's not a saturated market

I'm sure there are rich folks here and all over the world that will, if anything, BE MORE LIKELY TO BUY from the Custom Shoppe.
 
2TONYB said:
Who is the targeted customer when it comes to the custom shop sales? What was their sales volume (CS) prior to the price increase? What was the profit margin? Without knowing these things, it is silly to debate why the decision was made to increase prices. Americans have to face the fact that it is very cheap for foreigners to shop in the U.S. right now. Its great for U.S. company sales volumes, but tough for us when we want to buy our own American made goods.
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Roc says:

We're all just speculating. My spec is that what the people on this forum buy is a small portion, very small, and that the new prices will only increase profits from many rich buyers from around the world. They have the money and don't much care how much things cost.

If anything, they are ATTRACTED by high prices.

The other shoe that is yet to drop is price increases on other knives.

When I got my 419 Folding Kalinga in S30V a while back, my first response was......how can they sell a knife like this so cheap?

Maybe the answer is.......they can't.
 
Rocinante said:
Roc says:

We're all just speculating. My spec is that what the people on this forum buy is a small portion, very small, and that the new prices will only increase profits from many rich buyers from around the world. They have the money and don't much care how much things cost.

If anything, they are ATTRACTED by high prices.

The other shoe that is yet to drop is price increases on other knives.

When I got my 419 Folding Kalinga in S30V a while back, my first response was......how can they sell a knife like this so cheap?

Maybe the answer is.......they can't.
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I absolutely agree with the buyers from around the world stuff. The power of a dollar is down. However, I would guess that Buck can continue to sell knives cheap. But will they... Again, who is the customer. In this case, who is the targeted customer of the production knives? I tend to think that the U.S. market will continue to be the bigger share (assuming our economy doesn't get too much worse). There is a lot of competition in production knives and that alone should keep prices reasonable.
 
Don't forget that there are a huge number of rich American buyers who think nothing of spending a thousand dollars for a night out on the town.

The faltering economy does not bother them.

They are not people who ask "how much is it?"

In a serious economic downturn.......this is the market you want for your product.
 
Slight change of subject: Recently, I have been reading the buck forum from the beginning of time. One thing that stands out skimming through the old posts is the popularity of BG42 steel. It comes up time and time again. From the old custom shop to the Master Series to the new custom shop, BG42 is wildly popular. Why get rid of it?
 
2TONYB said:
Slight change of subject: Recently, I have been reading the buck forum from the beginning of time. One thing that stands out skimming through the old posts is the popularity of BG42 steel. It comes up time and time again. From the old custom shop to the Master Series to the new custom shop, BG42 is wildly popular. Why get rid of it?
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I personally think it was a simple decision by Buck to go with S30V instead of the BG-42. I think they didn't want to carry yet another steel (S30V) and so they dropped the BG-42. I've heard Chuck say on several occassions how much he likes the S30V. They also carry 154CM as well.
 
They also have a contract with Cabela's on some S30V knives, so that would make it a logical choice to stock, but that would not necessarily exclude the BG-42, especially since it is so popular.

I think they tend to go for what is most available at a good price and I have a feeling that BG-42 wasn't.
 
2TONYB said:
Who is the targeted customer when it comes to the custom shop sales? What was their sales volume (CS) prior to the price increase? What was the profit margin? Without knowing these things, it is silly to debate why the decision was made to increase prices. Americans have to face the fact that it is very cheap for foreigners to shop in the U.S. right now. Its great for U.S. company sales volumes, but tough for us when we want to buy our own American made goods.
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Rocinante said:
We're all just speculating. My spec is that what the people on this forum buy is a small portion, very small, and that the new prices will only increase profits from many rich buyers from around the world. They have the money and don't much care how much things cost.
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yup. i agree wit ya tony. we dont know who is the targeted customer when it comes to the custom shop sales
and with no data... roc has a good point =
it is all theory and any FIX is conjecture on our part..

there is good reason to think the custom shop is doing some thing for sales.
after all they have reopened it after two other closings...
and yes many with the money dont want every day folks haveing a statas symbole or it is not statas!
my brother says if he wins the big lotto he will jest buy a full 112 collection!
it is us here at the lower part of the food chain that do one knife at a time..

some say that the collectors drive current sales is questionable.. i think we do... we help make statas ... i watch persons look at displays an go "ouuuu"
because if not statas they it is price point only and china wins big time..
they knock off buck big time cause buck is statas... and collectors have a lot to do with that... i have seen rich buy custom and use it and no big deal...
we buy custom and we show it off! so others look and say ... i want one. i know i have see many many times i used my 110 and showed it off back in the 60's and 70's and then see others with one after the next pay day! how cool is that...

what most of us are wandering ... is why prices skyrocketed ...
and is there any way for the base hard core collectors to still buy one at a
"reasonable price" through the club?
i keep comeing back to the club ... as i watched a pot full sign up as bcci members at shows...
basicly knives are tools to be used and replaced as needed.
every one sold as a collectable is a vanty sale and is extra sales money ...
and your hard core collectors have a value that like advertiseing is hard to put a price on... and i would like to think we are worth selling to at lower profit for our "advertiseing" value...
but again with out data it is jest theory...
youall play nice now ya hears!!!
 
I know that it will be hard for me to walk in to a store and buy any buck knives now that they've jacked the prices on the custom 110's i will always have that in the back of my mind when considering buying a new knife.I need to get a membership here that allows me to sell my knives.
 
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