Can one say it is SERVICE at all? Who will buy a knife from Darrel Ralph now...

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Sharpe95th your way off. Why your getting on Kardas case I don't know.
Repeat these words. I am not a victim.
 
Bladeforums rules: no personal attacks.
Bladeforums rules: no attacks on moderators.

We understand when the FEEDBACK forum deals with The Bad or The Ugly that tempers can fray. But bystanders do not need to get emotionally involved. Stay on topic, especially if you have corroborative information.

Do not interfere with the original complaint.
 
Guys I hope you understand and the mods are not allowed to seem/look/sound biased to one side or the other, since mods are supposed to be fair.
The op was not being unfair to DR in any way shape or form. He thought the M390 would take too long so he asked for a quicker one, in which Darrel quoted him 2 weeks. About the "Oh custom knives aren't perfect" NO, go on the customs for sale section here, or look at any respectable maker. People like Dalibor, Jeremy Horton, etc etc, haven't been making knives NEARLY as long as Darrel. THEY CAN ACTUALLY BALANCE GRINDS AND KEEP THE LINES STRAIGHT. If I paid 1200 for a custom, say a Medford, or a Direware or a mikkell Willumsen. I expect it to be perfect to the last detail as I have specified. If they accidentally let something slip they would and should fix it immediately and prioritizing it. I'll admit that signing with a carbide bit is hard, but if you see it and it looks like #^*% then he should just tell him "Sorry it looks really bad, can I sign it on paper?" Also if you shipped a POS knife to someone for 1200, had it sent back, and you don't prioritize him and give him timely updates, expect your customer to be very PO'd, and at that time when you receive that kind of phone call, you should know why. The solution would not be to scream and shout back.

In conclusion. For all this,Vininull deserves all his money back, not have to try to be coerced into a NDA and DR should give him a free knife.
 
Sharpe95th said:
Infact I can safely say that there is an underbelly running through this forum that I have felt and I know alot of others have felt also, some of them to be craftsmen who have taken themselves away from this site because it seems that wrong and right can be chosen to be what they are instead of just being what they are regardless of mans petty, politic intervention when it suits whomever has bought a ticket to the bullshit show.

So I will take myself away from your area of influence over what is right and wrong because personally I think that your full of shit and I aint going to have you telling me what is fair and what is not because you clearly choose what is and is not only when concerned with your own feelings and not those that could generally be considered universal ( such is the fundamental understanding of what is right and wrong, which either myself or YOU have nothing to do with apart from obeyeing the truth in its principle, which I do feel you either know absolutley nothing about or infact you do but only choose to when it suits )

I felt that the best thing about this site/forum was the users oppertunity to get good advice on who to purchase goods from and who not to purchase goods from, seems though as I feel that this is not the case and those that moderate this site openly, and without looking at solid facts, allow scumbags to operate within its realms/ sub-forums, just because it seems they have a few freinds here and there and can allways be given the benefit of the doubt I shall not bother staying around.

I must admit that alot of what I have witnessed on this Bladeforums over the last year has left me with a sour taste regarding certain aspects of the knife world and the people involved within it. What a petty hypocrytical bunch some of you are!!:thumbdn:
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You are making mountains out of molehills. This thread is for the discussion of an individuals experience with Darrel Ralph. Not for you to argue pointlessly and gripe about other moderators just because you cannot conceive the concept of a moderator pertaining to a particular forum. As a matter of fact you are the only one this thread acting in such a manner and its distasteful. In the future if there is indeed another situation where you must speak your mind take it to PM (private message) to the individual of interest. That aside we really shouldn't derail this thread any more than it has been. Until I have something of more value to say I'll just be observing this thread.
 
Wow DR you are a person i will never deal with.

After reading that you send two knives that are a joke then try to blame the customer then try to cover it up with a non discloser email plus you are trying to keep three hundred dollars after you and your staff muck up your lucky the op is not in the states you would be sued for theft and extortion.

I for one will be telling everyone i know on every forum i am a member of about this tread i hope you like the loss of business that your attitude brings you.
 
It seems as though that signature was done using a hammer drill while wearing boxing gloves and a blindfold. The grind lines could have been done in this fashion as well. It would explain a lot.
 
Question for Mr. Ralph:

Did you personally make these knives? As a true custom, I would expect all facets of the knife to have been personally made by you, and not by a shop apprentice or other knifemaker in your crew. That's the only reason I would pay $1200 for a "custom" knife.

Follow-up questions:

If yes, you personally made it--why did you send a knife out of your shop with such serious flaws as a bent blade, horrendous grind lines, and poor attention to detail? You have been a maker for a long time and these flaws would be blatantly obvious to you.

If no, you did not personally make it--who did? How much experience do they have in building $1200 customs? If I were to place an order for a DR Custom would I be advised that you, the maker, would not actually be building my knife?

Regarding your indignation towards name-calling and the OP's alleged unsavory language--does this apply to yourself as well? I recall a certain thread in which you referred to a BF member as a less-than-tactful, unsavory, and very offensive epithet which I shall not repeat here.

I look forward to your reply.
 
If this had been a typical seller(here on BF) that ripped the OP off would he be banned for this ?
I would hope so.

If so, will DR be banned ?
Is he protected from being banned if he rips another member off even though regular members are not ?
Just wondering.



Karda, I don't think you'll have to worry about the guy bringing up the mods again. I think that 40 points he got did the trick:p Thanks, as this is one thread that needs to stay open.
Most all here know what great Mods we have, and we really appreciate it :thumbup:
 
MostMenAreRuthless said:
Question for Mr. Ralph:

Did you personally make these knives? As a true custom, I would expect all facets of the knife to have been personally made by you, and not by a shop apprentice or other knifemaker in your crew. That's the only reason I would pay $1200 for a "custom" knife.

Follow-up questions:

If yes, you personally made it--why did you send a knife out of your shop with such serious flaws as a bent blade, horrendous grind lines, and poor attention to detail? You have been a maker for a long time and these flaws would be blatantly obvious to you.

If no, you did not personally make it--who did? How much experience do they have in building $1200 customs? If I were to place an order for a DR Custom would I be advised that you, the maker, would not actually be building my knife?

Regarding your indignation towards name-calling and the OP's alleged unsavory language--does this apply to yourself as well? I recall a certain thread in which you referred to a BF member as a less-than-tactful, unsavory, and very offensive epithet which I shall not repeat here.

I look forward to your reply.
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My questions exactly
 
Unacceptable, Mr. Ralph. You have many questions NEEDING answers here. That is, if you are concerned with your potential customers opinions.

There are far too many makers with perfect integrity for anyone to bother with anything LESS than perfect service. Mr. Ralph... at the very least you are losing many potential customers. Make it right, if you can.
 
Who Does Final Inspection on your knives DDR?

How did a knife in that condition get past inspection, shipped and into the customers hands?

You personally signed the knife- did you look at it at the time?


These are the things I don't understand.
 
Let me first start off by apologizing to everyone, I really mean it, I am so sorry. The actions I took and members of my company took were not appropriate and for that I am very sorry. I am sending Vininull, today, $600 and a brand new knife which I have personally checked and double checked. I know that we have handled this poorly and we have taken the necessary actions to insure this doesn't happen again.

Thank you all for the very valuable feedback, I really appreciate many of you contacting me personally about this situation and giving me your opinion on the matter. I know this doesn't make everything that has happened go away nor do I expect it to but I do hope that all of you, at the very least, give me the opportunity to improve not only my quality control but my customer service skills.

Thank you.
 
We all make mistakes, some bigger than others, I'm happy to hear you have stepped up and not only acknowledged the mistakes but are taking the necessary steps to correct them. Hopefully Vininull is pleased with the results, he certainly has had a difficult time so far.
 
My thoughts on this were that DR Should be banned and nobody regardless of whatever should defend him, please dont make me out to be someone who is picking on Karda or just Mods in general, I aint a fool, maybe you should read my posts and then tell me if I am just someone havin a go for no reason?

I appreciate fairness, no ifs nor buts, this and that, it is what it is regardless of how you feel towards another or any situation.................It was obvious that DR is in the wrong, I find it really patronising when someone tells me to look at things from the obvious wrong doers point of view........ Ralph should be banned no ifs nor buts, this is not the first time he has done this. If you can google someones name and on the very first page then find associated with his name wrongdoing then why is he doing buisness as a Moderator on this Forum ( a forum with heaps of cool and good people may I add but with some that aint ) regardless of wether a Moderator is only assigned to there own forum he is a Moderator that is in a way affiliated with this Forum ( it is just plain obvious and very silly to say he is not ) and please I have not waverd from the subject atall what Ralp has done and whomever wants to say " look at it from his point of view man " should expect to get picked out from people who get really really really annoyed at seeing scumbags rip people off. Also I cannot describe the annoyance I felt at seeing that they had contacted the OP asking him not to speak to anyone about his experience, this is BLACKMAIL, downright skull duggery, I expect crap like this in a government office, not on a forum that is full of folks who generally consider these kind of politics filthy and not what they want to be around.........I am not saying that the Mods are corrupt in general, I am saying that some people even if they are Moderator need to take a stand against the crap like Ralph has done.........Please dont give me this bullcrap about " we need to be bystanders, we need to not take sides, thats plain old simple rubbish and if you want to buy that then go confuse yourself, but dont start crying when you get ripped. As for the 40 points, yes Karda gave me 40 points, but as far a stirring things go Ken thats stirring, I dont know you and I would never pass judgement on you regardless of who you have disagreed with unless I felt that you were a danger to anyone in doing so....Karda is a big boy Im sure he dont need you to hold his hand!!!........But all the same Ken, its nice to virtually interact with you, I wish we could have under different circumstances.

Regards

Matt
 
Sharpe95th said:
My thoughts on this were that DR Should be banned and nobody regardless of whatever should defend him, please dont make me out to be someone who is picking on Karda or just Mods in general, I aint a fool, maybe you should read my posts and then tell me if I am just someone havin a go for no reason?

I appreciate fairness, no ifs nor buts, this and that, it is what it is regardless of how you feel towards another or any situation.................It was obvious that DR is in the wrong, I find it really patronising when someone tells me to look at things from the obvious wrong doers point of view........ Ralph should be banned no ifs nor buts, this is not the first time he has done this. If you can google someones name and on the very first page then find associated with his name wrongdoing then why is he doing buisness as a Moderator on this Forum ( a forum with heaps of cool and good people may I add but with some that aint ) regardless of wether a Moderator is only assigned to there own forum he is a Moderator that is in a way affiliated with this Forum ( it is just plain obvious and very silly to say he is not ) and please I have not waverd from the subject atall what Ralp has done and whomever wants to say " look at it from his point of view man " should expect to get picked out from people who get really really really annoyed at seeing scumbags rip people off. Also I cannot describe the annoyance I felt at seeing that they had contacted the OP asking him not to speak to anyone about his experience, this is BLACKMAIL, downright skull duggery, I expect crap like this in a government office, not on a forum that is full of folks who generally consider these kind of politics filthy and not what they want to be around.........I am not saying that the Mods are corrupt in general, I am saying that some people even if they are Moderator need to take a stand against the crap like Ralph has done.........Please dont give me this bullcrap about " we need to be bystanders, we need to not take sides, thats plain old simple rubbish and if you want to buy that then go confuse yourself, but dont start crying when you get ripped. As for the 40 points, yes Karda gave me 40 points, but as far a stirring things go Ken thats stirring, I dont know you and I would never pass judgement on you regardless of who you have disagreed with unless I felt that you were a danger to anyone in doing so....Karda is a big boy Im sure he dont need you to hold his hand!!!........But all the same Ken, its nice to virtually interact with you, I wish we could have under different circumstances.

Regards

Matt
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Lay off the coffee

will wait for alex to update with receipt of promised merchandise
 
Darrel Ralph said:
Let me first start off by apologizing to everyone, I really mean it, I am so sorry. The actions I took and members of my company took were not appropriate and for that I am very sorry. I am sending Vininull, today, $600 and a brand new knife which I have personally checked and double checked. I know that we have handled this poorly and we have taken the necessary actions to insure this doesn't happen again.

Thank you all for the very valuable feedback, I really appreciate many of you contacting me personally about this situation and giving me your opinion on the matter. I know this doesn't make everything that has happened go away nor do I expect it to but I do hope that all of you, at the very least, give me the opportunity to improve not only my quality control but my customer service skills.

Thank you.
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Great to hear you are making it right !

I think you may know this now, but in the future I wouldn't send an email telling a customer he couldn't speak of the deal if he wanted a refund(a partial refund at that). As you now know people can post that here for all to see.

Good luck going foward !
 
Anyway Folks" I am a big boy and I know when I have made a mistake and when people get angry it cause other feelings or emotions to get involved more easily than otherwise would. Karda I did not set out just to have a go at you are anyone else for that matter, I just didnt. If I have offended anyone at all in the slightest that was not my intenetion and apologies for doing so if I did, Sincere apologies.:)

Kind regards

Matt
 
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