My experience with Liu Kang

[M67]

LK,

if you remember, after Knob Creek Eric did do the right thing and upgrade to a dealer statue for 1 month because he had a lot of knives to sell and it was morally right.

You always have a lot of knives to sell and fought being a dealer.

He went to 1 show, bought a lot, and then bought a dealer status because it was right.

 

[risen]

I don't know why anyone is complaining about his prices or PayPal fees.
If you don't like the price don't buy it! Simple as that. ...

Simple enough point.

However, this forum is about sharing experiences, so there's nothing inappropriate about calling out a seller/dealer when one feels wronged, especially what that seller/dealer does a lot of his/her business on this very forum.

Also, this issue isn't just about prices and/or PayPal fees. There was mention of this seller/dealer advertising insured shipping, collecting monies for that insurance, then not following through with that service/protection, I believe. Is that correct?

This is a long thread and I haven't read every post, so I may have missed something I'm about to point out. Not totally sure, but if a seller/dealer advertises insured shipping, collects money for that service/protection, then doesn't follow through on it, repeatedly, I believe it may be serious enough to be considered a Federal issue (Fraud/Postal Fraud?), one worth reporting to the USPS and/or DOJ, in my non-lawyer opinion.

Has paying for insurance, and not getting it, been a repeat issue with Liu Kang?

Note: Had the excessive S/H charges been more about bloated "handling fees", I don't believe it would qualify as fraud. But, because "Insurance" was specifically stated as part of the fee, then wasn't secured (repeatedly?), that's a whole different ball game, in my humble non-lawyer opinion

 

[Liu Kang]

LK,

if you remember, after Knob Creek Eric did do the right thing and upgrade to a dealer statue for 1 month because he had a lot of knives to sell and it was morally right.

You always have a lot of knives to sell and fought being a dealer.

He went to 1 show, bought a lot, and then bought a dealer status because it was right.

He was at Blade 2011

 

[CWL]

He was at Blade 2011

What does this have to do with you selling and then not providing insurance? That and several other profit-driven tactics of yours is what's being questioned.

It is obvious that you want to line your pockets with an additional $11, which would not be worth the bother to me or most people. Legalities aside, by charging for something and not providing it, you are not behaving in a moral or ethical manner of behavior, nor are you behaving as a positive member of BFC.

 

[M67]

He was at Blade 2011

And most of the knives he bought, or has the tag to buy, hasn't been released yet. You can't sell a knife you don't have possession of, so it would be pointless to have a dealer membership right now.

As for the knives he did take home, he sold/selling 95% of them on ebay; not Bladeforums.

And just because someone goes to Blade doesn't make then a dealer. There are die hard collectors, knife enthusiasts, and people who go to talk to their favorite knife maker; plus Blade is just really damn cool and you meet a lot of good people there.

When all the new releases are available, and Eric has plenty of knives for sale, I guarentee that's he'll do a month or two dealer membership because it's the right thing to do.

 

[321sold.biz]

Liu Kang took the chance & retained the risk himself. It is a common practice with insurance or any type. IF your home is insured, how much deductible do you want? The higher you go the cheaper it should be. Since you(owner) are retaining a bigger
amount you will cover. kang is right, he would have been out $700 + if it did not show up. I would have refunded the ins amount but that would have been just to shut up the buyer & yes he should have handled the aftermath as a customer who was
upset enough to complain.
Just my $0.02
Brad

 

[nick425]

Liu Kang took the chance & retained the risk himself. It is a common practice with insurance or any type. IF your home is insured, how much deductible do you want? The higher you go the cheaper it should be. Since you(owner) are retaining a bigger
amount you will cover. kang is right, he would have been out $700 + if it did not show up. I would have refunded the ins amount but that would have been just to shut up the buyer & yes he should have handled the aftermath as a customer who was
upset enough to complain.
Just my $0.02
Brad

Really?

 

[jill jackson]

This entire thread wouldn't have even been started, if the seller had just refunded the 11 lousy bucks, he charged to insure the knife (and never spent) plus said I'm sorry for not packing it better. Pretty sad when you think about it isn't it? Somebody would argue and refuse to refund, over 11 dollars they never used for what it was paid to them for. What a joke.

 

[jill jackson]

Liu Kang took the chance & retained the risk himself. It is a common practice with insurance or any type. IF your home is insured, how much deductible do you want? The higher you go the cheaper it should be. Since you(owner) are retaining a bigger
amount you will cover. kang is right, he would have been out $700 + if it did not show up. I would have refunded the ins amount but that would have been just to shut up the buyer & yes he should have handled the aftermath as a customer who was
upset enough to complain.
Just my $0.02
Brad

You really think a party so tight as to not refund 11 dollars they never spent, for what it was paid to them for would have? I can just imagine how LK would act over 700 dollars, if he won't even give back 11 he never spent, for it's intended purpose.

 

[Luis G.]

Liu Kang took the chance & retained the risk himself. It is a common practice with insurance or any type. IF your home is insured, how much deductible do you want? The higher you go the cheaper it should be. Since you(owner) are retaining a bigger
amount you will cover. kang is right, he would have been out $700 + if it did not show up. I would have refunded the ins amount but that would have been just to shut up the buyer & yes he should have handled the aftermath as a customer who was
upset enough to complain.
Just my $0.02
Brad

Where are LK's permits to act as an insurer, where is LK's authentication by 3rd party companies that says he can cover such losses? I don't even see him listed with the BBC, I wonder if the IRS has any info...

To say LK should earn what USPS (A licensed insurer, with the financial backbone to say I CAN COVER LOSSES or at least be sued) is illogical. This is exactly why John Public=/= make what Ken Onion or Chris Reeves makes per knife.

 

[BA_Colt]

Some people do not even make $11 an hour. Some people spend $11 on breakfast. But in the end if I ordered a knife that was packaged like this one was, and not insured which was part of the deal (and by insured I am referring to insurance that is from the licensed and bonded shipping company, and not an individual who is not licensed and bonded) I would take umbrage with it.

 

[jill jackson]

When I received my "new" knife from Liu Kang it had a damaged (melted grip) from someone buffing one side of the blade.
He had multiples of this knife in the same listing he choose to send the used one to me.
When contacted he was very quick to respond to my message,telling me to contact Scrapyard Knives and send it to them because it will be covered by their lifetime warranty.
This response from Dan was so lame I put the deal down to experience and moved on.
The response I was expecting was,"sorry about that,send the knife back to me and I'll get a new knife in the post straight away".
Yes I paid him using the PP gift option (something I have only done a few times on BF).
The postage charge was $15US, but the actual postage charge was $5US.
Just sharing my experience with Liu Kang.

What about this? Spends 5 to ship charges 15?

Also, I find insurance through the post office on 700 dollars is quoted at 8.95 for priority mail, not 11.80. At least that's the rate I just got from the online postage calculator, provided by the US Postal Service.

 

[M67]

What about this? Spends 5 to ship charges 15?

Also, I find insurance through the post office on 700 dollars is quoted at 8.95 for priority mail, not 11.80. At least that's the rate I just got from the online postage calculator, provided by the US Postal Service.

It was shipped in a free USPS box so they go on weight. A NMFBM is a heavy chuck of steel. But even with a flat rate box of $10.80 or whatever it still wouldn't cost $20 to ship. But Eric knew it wouldn't cost that much and threw a couple extra bucks in (he said it earlier in the thread somewhere).

But since Eric paid for a service that was never provided, then a refund of the difference was really called for.

 

[jill jackson]

It was shipped in a free USPS box so they go on weight. A NMFBM is a heavy chuck of steel. But even with a flat rate box of $10.80 or whatever it still wouldn't cost $20 to ship. But Eric knew it wouldn't cost that much and threw a couple extra bucks in (he said it earlier in the thread somewhere).

But since Eric paid for a service that was never provided, then a refund of the difference was really called for.

Insurance cost goes by value only, weight has nothing to do with that. Nevermind, I'm sure you know that and that was not your point.

 

[M67]

Insurance cost goes by value only, weight has nothing to do with that. Nevermind, I'm sure you know that and that was not your point.

I was talking total cost. Cost of the knife based on weight, plus the additional cost for insurance.

 

[BA_Colt]

"Like gravity, karma is so basic we often don't notice it."
-Sakyong Mipham

 

[jill jackson]

I was talking total cost. Cost of the knife based on weight, plus the additional cost for insurance.

Yeah, I see he gave him an extra 20, to be sure it was insured and wasn't worried about exact cost to ship. Then LK spends less than 9 on it.

 

[CWL]

Liu Kang took the chance & retained the risk himself. It is a common practice with insurance or any type. IF your home is insured, how much deductible do you want? The higher you go the cheaper it should be. Since you(owner) are retaining a bigger
amount you will cover. kang is right, he would have been out $700 + if it did not show up. I would have refunded the ins amount but that would have been just to shut up the buyer & yes he should have handled the aftermath as a customer who was
upset enough to complain.
Just my $0.02
Brad

And did LK declare this up front? Why would his self-insurance be more than what a carrier would charge?

You may not be aware, but he has sold many knives that had been used or have flaws to them, yet still declared them to be NIB. When the issue was brought back to him, he would tell the Buyers to contact the manufacturer for service and not bother him. So what part of his consistent unethical behavior would make you believe that he would ever step-up and act in a responsible manner if a knife was damaged or lost during shipping?

 

[Matteo Escobar]

You really think a party so tight as to not refund 11 dollars they never spent, for what it was paid to them for would have? I can just imagine how LK would act over 700 dollars, if he won't even give back 11 he never spent, for it's intended purpose.

Exactly, he would have fought this tooth and nail if it was lost. He would have claimed theft or some such nonsense.

 

[emopunker2004]

I don't know why anyone is complaining about his prices or PayPal fees.
If you don't like the price don't buy it! Simple as that.
Although I have never purchased a knife from him if LK has a knife I want for a price I am willing to pay I will probably buy it.

Maybe go back and read the thread...