My experience with Liu Kang

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Liu Kang said:
Well, I simply forgot to put insurance on it, I'm human and make mistakes.
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So you claim you were supposed to do this, and did not.
Liu Kang said:
So I said I would have covered it with my own money should it not have arrived. Well, I offered him his complete money back (check his first post cause he copied and pasted it from our emails) and he refused.
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Why not be a smart business person, and offer back the money that the insurance would have cost. It would not have cost you anything, would it?
Liu Kang said:
So if you are not happy with the transaction just ask for a complete refund which I offered him. So regardless of what he says, he was happy, and if he says otherwise, ask him why he didn't take me up on my offer for a full and complete refund.
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Why send it back when the easiest, most responsible thing to do would have been to simply refund the $11???
 
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Ok, I don't think anyone is reading anything here. This post has nothing to do with the $11...
I wanted the knife back period and wanted to undo the transaction, it has nothing to do with money, he refused and would not send me back the knife. I didn't want him to have that knife period! It was based on principal and neither one of us wanted to give in. That's what this is all about.

He opened up the thread after a year and a half because people are putting up positive feedback on here and he didn't like it now because I would not do as he suggested. He had send me an email and told me how I should sell my knives.
That's like Bill Roenman telling Rick Hinderer how to make knives...

So anyway he got mad at me and brought this thread back from the dead. He doesn't want the money.
 
It's pretty obvious Dan Huang does not have a degree in business. He's an immigrant who has very, very different values. Maybe read a book on ethical American business practices?
 
UDDwaine said:
So you claim you were supposed to do this, and did not.
Why not be a smart business person, and offer back the money that the insurance would have cost. It would not have cost you anything, would it?

Why send it back when the easiest, most responsible thing to do would have been to simply refund the $11???
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Because in LK's mind he has done nothing wrong so he does not owe anyone anything. If it had been me in Derick's position, all LK would have had to do is offer the $11 back and an apology to me and I would have accepted that and told him to forget about the $11. Thing is he went on the defensive, said return the knife and get a full refund, not what was asked for, and went into this whole self insured ramble.

There are only a few ways this thread is going to die, 1/ Derick closes it, 2/ LK admits his wrong doings and offers restitution, or 3/ the Mods close it down because it has gotten out of hand. I think the third option is what will happen, too bad really because there has been a lot of damage done over $11.
 
Liu Kang said:
Ok, I don't think anyone is reading anything here. This post has nothing to do with the $11...
I wanted the knife back period and wanted to undo the transaction, it has nothing to do with money, he refused and would not send me back the knife. I didn't want him to have that knife period! It was based on principal and neither one of us wanted to give in. That's what this is all about.

He opened up the thread after a year and a half because people are putting up positive feedback on here and he didn't like it now because I would not do as he suggested. He had send me an email and told me how I should sell my knives.
That's like Bill Roenman telling Rick Hinderer how to make knives...

So anyway he got mad at me and brought this thread back from the dead. He doesn't want the money.
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Wrong it is not like Bill Roenman telling Rick Hinderer how to make knives, or in your case how to do business. It is simply following fair, legit business practices that you did not follow. Now you are going to suffer in loss of business.
(then again there are other people whom do not care and will support a seller like you out of greed or desperation, more then likely because they prefer a few bucks or a knife over principle).

Second you do not have the right to "undo" a transaction unless BOTH parties agree to do so, he did not so go boohoo your eyes out. You accepted payment for a knife+shipping+insurance. The OP only received the knife (poorly packaged, and a safety issue), and shipping. No insurance, and you yourself cannot insure a package and receive payment for it without a proper surety bonded and permit to do so. This is actually irresponsible, and more then likely illegal. Thus you should have and should still refund him the $11.

Be a man, acknowledge your shitty unsafe packaging in this situation as well as refund the $11.


Personally I think people should avoid buying from you out of principal.
 
Liu Kang said:
Ok, I don't think anyone is reading anything here. This post has nothing to do with the $11...
I wanted the knife back period and wanted to undo the transaction, it has nothing to do with money, he refused and would not send me back the knife. I didn't want him to have that knife period! It was based on principal and neither one of us wanted to give in. That's what this is all about.

He opened up the thread after a year and a half because people are putting up positive feedback on here and he didn't like it now because I would not do as he suggested. He had send me an email and told me how I should sell my knives.
That's like Bill Roenman telling Rick Hinderer how to make knives...

So anyway he got mad at me and brought this thread back from the dead. He doesn't want the money.
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Could it have been reopened because there's a growing group of people here that are sick of you and your selling/buying practices? That's what I see and I'm just telling it as I see it. Feel free to disagree, with my view, as I'm sure you will.
 
nick425 said:
It's pretty obvious Dan Huang does not have a degree in business. He's an immigrant who has very, very different values. Maybe read a book on ethical American business practices?
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That's just racism and you need to keep it to yourself.

If you think all Americans are ethical or have good values, what happened to Bernie Madoff? He was born in the USA. So were the officers of Enron...
 
CWL said:
That's just racism and you need to keep it to yourself.

If you think all Americans are ethical or have good values, what happened to Bernie Madoff? He was born in the USA. So were the officers of Enron...
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I am not trying to be racist at all buddy. I will keep further comments to myself to save you from hearing them.

By the way, I said nothing at all about all Americans being ethical.
 
jill jackson said:
You really think a party so tight as to not refund 11 dollars they never spent, for what it was paid to them for would have? I can just imagine how LK would act over 700 dollars, if he won't even give back 11 he never spent, for it's intended purpose.
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If $11 was hard, imagine how hard it was to pony up the $200 for the BF Dealer status.
 
It is not about $11, but rather integrity. Integrity drives people to do what is right. You say that he is not happy with your offer to refund all the money. Then you say you didn't want him to have the knife and that is why you offered the refund. Your motive for offering the refund was selfish. A person with integrity would have refunded the $11, and covered the loss of the knife if needed.

It's not at all about the $11, but of what your unwillingless to refund it represents.
 
It is not racist at all.
I have had to deal with people of several backgrounds,things are much different in other countries in business.When they try to use those practices here they can't figure out why one one wants to work with them.In the US you can't deal with the delivery person to get a better price,you can not buy back out of date product to resell(at least not most of the time but I have seen it happen),you can not talk the person ringing up your purchase up into giving you a deal(saw a woman that sounded as if she was from a eastern European country do that two days ago and got very angry when the girl said she could not work deals).Many people not from the US could do with a business course before opening a business here.Saying that is not racism but just that they might need a little more know how.
 
For the sake of this "knife community", I implore the powers that be here to restrict LK to the Dealer only section.

Feel free to ban him entirely as he has caused more disruption to this site than anyone else I can recall and there were some real pieces of work that walked the plank here in the past. He lied about being a dealer. That should be enough to send him on his way. But don't stop there, send his shill accounts with him.

What was once a great place to hang out online has been polluted by Liu Kang. This feeling is felt by many here.

Do the right thing and fix this once and for all.

If anything, revoke his Dealer status for 3 months and allow him to participate in the community as most here do. That is, after all, why he is here right?
 
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u812 said:
It is not racist at all.
I have had to deal with people of several backgrounds,things are much different in other countries in business.When they try to use those practices here they can't figure out why one one wants to work with them.In the US you can't deal with the delivery person to get a better price,you can not buy back out of date product to resell(at least not most of the time but I have seen it happen),you can not talk the person ringing up your purchase up into giving you a deal(saw a woman that sounded as if she was from a eastern European country do that two days ago and got very angry when the girl said she could not work deals).Many people not from the US could do with a business course before opening a business here.Saying that is not racism but just that they might need a little more know how.
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Exactly.
 
CWL said:
If you think all Americans are ethical or have good values, what happened to Bernie Madoff? He was born in the USA. So were the officers of Enron...
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What happened to those people? You think LK should go to prison?
 
Whew! Bet LK's having to work a lot harder than he bargained for those $11 bucks, after all. LOL!

LK, you and I have never met, nor have we ever done business. That said, I can assure you, if you had pulled that $11 dollar crap on me, I would've ridden/beaten that horse all the way to hell and back.

It's just plain petty.

Btw, I really do believe if you've been repeatedly pulling that $11 scam (what I see as a scam), you are breaking the law. You're certainly not qualified/bonded as an insurer.

I'm grateful to all those who've posted regarding LK's practices. Saved me a lot of time, money and grief.
 
Why have the Mods ignored this issue for so long?
Can we open a collective thread somewhere to
make our voices heard on this specific trampling
of forum rules, and peoples decency?

So I will ask the Mods once more: Why can he sell unrestricted
as a dealer in the non dealer sections? How much outcry does it
take to remove an individual deemed unscrupulous by a great majority
of this forum community?
 
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