My experience with Liu Kang

[shirogane]

As for the $11, I did not give that back because I changed my mind about selling the knife to Eric and he knows this. I asked for the knife back and he refused and we have not gotten along since then. I did not want to do business with him and simply wanted my knife back so I was willing to pay for every penny he spent along with his cost for USPS money order and shipment of the knife back to me but he refused. Everyone keeps saying a deal is not complete until both party is happy, well I wasn't happy and wanted my knife back!

You had a contract whether you realize it or not and it was not your position to unilaterally break it, but to honor your end of it. Once the money was received and the knife sent and received, the buyer owned the knife. He had no obligation to return it to you since he paid you for it. He also paid you for something you didn't provide. You owe him a refund for the insurance you took money for and did not buy.

The best thing you can do when you find yourself in a hole, and believe me, you are in deep, is to stop digging. The more you evade, rationalize, obfuscate, and generally act like a douche bag (and nearly everyone here seems to think that is exactly what you are), the more it is going to hurt your business...How many people in this thread have said they would never buy from you after reading this? How many sales have you lost? I bet more than $11 worth....

 

[wrxguyusa]

DEALS ARE NOT FINAL UNTIL BOTH PARTIES HAVE AGREED TO THE TERMS.
We strongly recommend that both parties quote the agreed upon terms to each other via email / private messaging / instant messaging so both parties understand their obligations. At any stage before money has changed hands, either party can back out.

The terms were agreed, money was paid, knife was delivered. Sorry LK, you can't just get your knife back when you feel like it. You owe him for the insurance he bought as part of the terms.

 

[dericdesmond]

Dan, anything $201 and up requieres a sig, not $300. And why did you want to undo the deal dan? At what point did you say to yourself you wanted the knife back and why? Besides for call a spade a spade, I didnt do or say anything offensive, I fullfilled my obligations, you didnt. This could of been simple, you do the right thing and be done, shame.

 

[Liu Kang]

You had a contract whether you realize it or not and it was not your position to unilaterally break it, but to honor your end of it. Once the money was received and the knife sent and received, the buyer owned the knife. He had no obligation to return it to you since he paid you for it. He also paid you for something you didn't provide. You owe him a refund for the insurance you took money for and did not buy.

The best thing you can do when you find yourself in a hole, and believe me, you are in deep, is to stop digging. The more you evade, rationalize, obfuscate, and generally act like a douche bag (and nearly everyone here seems to think that is exactly what you are), the more it is going to hurt your business...How many people in this thread have said they would never buy from you after reading this? How many sales have you lost? I bet more than $11 worth....

See that's where the law ends but there is an moral issue here and that's what everyone is discussing here in this thread. So he got the knife in perfect condition and he got what he paid for but he still complains and opens this thread up? Why would he do that? He had the option of returning for a complete refund but chooses not to do that. That's his choice.

So ask him what he wants. While you are at it, ask him why he went into a dealers status after he went to Knob Creek for one month only. Why not stay a dealer status after he went to Blade 2011 where he got tons of knives and selling here on this forum and not under a green dealer membership even though he is doing exactly what I am doing. Buying and selling knives. So he is cheating the system and trying to get away with it and has for a while now.

Then you would see that he is a dealer and what some would say is my competitor and this is why he opened up this thread. So he could make more money by selling more knives by slandering my name. He did re-open this thread after 1.5 years... But that's not unethical and just normal business practice right? He won't support this site, and just trying to take more of your money. So go support him by buying more of his knives. Then you can ask if he is a dealer why he isn't selling his knives in the dealer's section.

 

[dericdesmond]

You are desperate, go to my profile and clickmthe threads ive created of which are active, then do the same for yourself. For you to compare what I do on this site to you amazes me. I dont support this site? you dont have a clue.

 

[Liu Kang]

Dan, anything $201 and up requieres a sig, not $300. And why did you want to undo the deal dan? At what point did you say to yourself you wanted the knife back and why? Besides for call a spade a spade, I didnt do or say anything offensive, I fullfilled my obligations, you didnt. This could of been simple, you do the right thing and be done, shame.

I answered that question before:

And not everyone here is unemployed and sitting home to wait for a package, some people have actual jobs so if you required a signature or heavily insure the package, then, they are required to be there when the package is delivered. This can be a problem since not everyone can be home so many ask for a simple delivery confirmation number.

 

[Liu Kang]

You are desperate, go to my profile and clickmthe threads ive created of which are active, then do the same for yourself. For you to compare what I do on this site to you amazes me. I dont support this site? you dont have a clue.

Not my rules, I just follow them.

Just a friendly reminder - You might be a dealer if...

... you buy knives with the express purpose to turn around and resell them at a profit, on a regular basis, then you just might be a dealer.
... you buy knives at wholesale, then turn around and sell them at just below retail, then you just might be a dealer.
... you have a store, or a certificate of resale, and are selling here as a Gold Member, then you just might be a dealer.

We're getting reports of at least 3 individuals listed as Gold members engaging in this sort of thing. Needless to say, this is frowned upon and will get your Gold Membership pulled.

Just a friendly warning from your friendly forums Administrator.

Kevin

 

[shirogane]

See that's where the law ends but there is an moral issue here and that's what everyone is discussing here in this thread. So he got the knife in perfect condition and he got what he paid for but he still complains and opens this thread up?

The moral issue is you keeping his money for something he paid you to buy and you didn't. That is called stealing. He did not get what he paid for, that is what this is all about- your lying and thieving ways.

Until you make things right he has every right to open threads whenever he feels like it....

And why do you continue to bring up his dealer status and all this other non-related BS? To deflect the fact that you stole $11 from him? Nothing you can do or say will change this basic fact: you are a thief....

 

[dericdesmond]

I answered that question before:

what? That in no way shape or form answers the question but for you to think it does speaks volumes and only goes in line with every post you have made in this thread. The below being no exception.

Not my rules, I just follow them.

Oh, and though you evade simple questions, (still waiting on the rest of that story along with answers to many other questions in this thread). I do not.

Why did I only do it for a month? Ill tell ya why, its real simple, try and follow, I SOLD everything I bought to deal in less then a month! As for what I bought at blade, Ive got a lot of users from that show, how bout you? I have not used BFs as a media to unload my stuff in a dealing fashion. I am a platinum member and as one, am entitled to sell and when I do, its most times priced lower than any members similar item. But Ill tell ya what, I do intend to go green in the future. When I do, you will see how its suppose to be done.

 

[dericdesmond]

10,000 views in less then 48 hrs. Keep digging Dan. Ill quit posting once you do.

 

[Gastonknife]

Please stick a fork in this back and forth nonsense...........it's well done

 

[bd51]

Why not stay a dealer status after he went to Blade 2011 where he got tons of knives and selling here on this forum and not under a green dealer membership even though he is doing exactly what I am doing. Buying and selling knives. So he is cheating the system and trying to get away with it and has for a while now.

Maybe it's just me, or am I seeing a hypocrite here? How long did it take for you to become a dealer, and how much did you whine and complain when you were forced to?

From what I understand, dericdesmond is happy to support BFC. When you were forced to become a dealer, it was like someone was trying to pull your teeth out!

 

[dericdesmond]

Please stick a fork in this back and forth nonsense...........it's well done

Shut it, leave if you dont like it.

 

[Liu Kang]

Ok, so you weren't happy with the deal, why did you not do us both a favor and return the knife for a full complete refund?
And yes you are a dealer, I know what you picked up at Blade 2011 and selling. It's posted...

 

[Luis G.]

Ok, so you weren't happy with the deal, why did you not do us both a favor and return the knife for a full complete refund?
And yes you are a dealer, I know what you picked up at Blade 2011 and selling. It's posted...

He is not selling as many knives as you in BF, he already mentioned he took most of his business to ebay.
You refused to become a dealer until you were forced to by moderators. So you be quiet with your petty low life ethics.

You unsafely packaged the knife, and you are a thief. Simple as that. You seriously disgusts me, your ethics and business practices are that of a desperate boy milking everyone for their last cent.

 

[Liu Kang]

He is not selling as many knives as you in BF, he already mentioned he took most of his business to ebay.
You refused to become a dealer until you were forced to by moderators. So you be quiet with your petty low life ethics.

You unsafely packaged the knife, and you are a thief. Simple as that. You seriously disgusts me, your ethics and business practices are that of a desperate boy milking everyone for their last cent.

Nobody has an inventory like mine, nobody is that crazy. But both Trevor and Ricky are dealers here on BF and they don't have anywhere near what I have. And one of them is on ebay too. But they are still Green here on BF. So that is not an excuse.

 

[dericdesmond]

Ok, so you weren't happy with the deal, why did you not do us both a favor and return the knife for a full complete refund?
And yes you are a dealer, I know what you picked up at Blade 2011 and selling. It's posted...

After all this non sense, Ill never do you a favor. Ive tried to reason with you. Unfortunately, you are incapable.

 

[bd51]

Ok, so you weren't happy with the deal, why did you not do us both a favor and return the knife for a full complete refund?

Why do you keep saying this? He obviously did not want to return the knife, and the much more simple solution would to refund his 11 dollars. Get that into your thick skull!

 

[dericdesmond]

Nobody has an inventory like mine, nobody is that crazy. But both Trevor and Ricky are dealers here on BF and they don't have anywhere near what I have. And one of them is on ebay too. But they are still Green here on BF. So that is not an excuse.

Oh give it a rest, Ive got 5 knives for sale on BF, 1 active sales thread
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...r-Dogs-Custom-Boss-Jack-User-NMFBM-tankbuster

all at either original cost, my cost or below it. And quit dragging others names into this thread. Try and focus on the topic at hand otherwise go start your own thread.

 

[M67]

While you are at it, ask him why he went into a dealers status after he went to Knob Creek for one month only. Why not stay a dealer status after he went to Blade 2011 where he got tons of knives and selling here on this forum and not under a green dealer membership even though he is doing exactly what I am doing. Buying and selling knives. So he is cheating the system and trying to get away with it and has for a while now.

He's not cheating the system, he just sold his Knob Creek inventory quicker than you did. Eric got rid of his in a month, you're still sitting on some of it. Why pay for a dealer membership for longer than a month if you can sell your inventory quick?

Ok, so you weren't happy with the deal, why did you not do us both a favor and return the knife for a full complete refund?
And yes you are a dealer, I know what you picked up at Blade 2011 and selling. It's posted...

And as for Blade, yes, Eric did get a decent amount of knives but 1) He's selling/sold a lot of them on ebay, not bladeforums 2) The tags he has are for knives that havn't debuted yet.

Why get a dealer membership right now if your inventory isn't even in your hands yet?