My experience with Liu Kang

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My $.02 - my $ will go elsewhere besides Liu Kang.

Liu, I have never ordered from you but there is a concept called future lost sales. You just lost all of my potential business in the future so enjoy your $11 today.
 
Liu if you are the bigger man send the man his money, whether he wants it or not, and see what happens. It is the right thing to do. Better late than never.

You could in the future try to be more of a stand up guy. I think people here would like to like you. In fact I think they want to like you. But they don't and they never will as long as you act like you do.

I buy quite a few knives a year. You have a fair number of knives I wouldn't mind owning. But I don't want them bad enough to deal with you the way you have acted in the past. I know that you are intelligent enough to be a decent guy. False pride is a bad thing and it is hurting you.

That's about all the old man advice I have for you. As for business advice, if you want to continue to act the way you do you need to invest in harder to get better quality merchandise. So people will be forced to deal with you. Which in a strange way I don't think you really want but it is how you project yourself. Busse knives are cool I have a few and I like them. But if you are to have any chance of sustained success you are going to have to get into something that is truly elite.

Do whatever you want but you are not just hurting yourself. You are hurting this community and the companies you want to represent.

My advice here is sincere but if you don't change your ways I will return to pimp slapping you like everyone else :D

Just something to think about. What kind of man do you want to be?
 
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When I received my "new" knife from Liu Kang it had a damaged (melted grip) from someone buffing one side of the blade.
He had multiples of this knife in the same listing he choose to send the used one to me.
When contacted he was very quick to respond to my message,telling me to contact Scrapyard Knives and send it to them because it will be covered by their lifetime warranty.
This response from Dan was so lame I put the deal down to experience and moved on.
The response I was expecting was,"sorry about that,send the knife back to me and I'll get a new knife in the post straight away".
Yes I paid him using the PP gift option (something I have only done a few times on BF).
The postage charge was $15US, but the actual postage charge was $5US.
Just sharing my experience with Liu Kang.
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Here's another instance where a buyer received a defective knife and Liu Kang deflected responsibility onto the maker.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...en-it-came-who-s-responsible-to-make-it-right
 
Wow...i recently almost made a transaction with Liu Kang....

This is the type of stuff i look for in sellers before i do business......

Glad i found this thread:)
 
If you are a seller shipping a $700 knife and DON'T insure it you are an idiot. I thought a BF member with such a long history would know that. There is a thread in this subforum that clearly states that it is THE SELLER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE KNIFE TO THE BUYER. People who charge extra for insurance and shipping irritate me. Just put a bottom-line price on a knife and protect YOURSELF by insuring it.

Having said that, the seller assumed the risk and the package arrived, so who cares? Let him keep the cash, if the package would have been lost he would have been out $1400, all for the opportunity to make an extra $10 on the deal. If someone wants to risk that much money for $10, let em'
 
Yes, but historically, LK has never accepted responsibility for anything going wrong with his sales or shipments. So he knowingly takes money for insurance without buying any just so he can squeeze more money from a buyer (let's not forget his 5% PayPal add-on charges), all with no intention of standing behind the sale.

It really isn't about the $11.00 (except to show how cheap & greedy LK is), but it's all about pointing-out the unethical business practices of LK himself.
 
Liu Kang said:
So you weren't happy with the deal, why did you not do us both a favor and return the knife for a full complete refund?
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Including the amount it would have cost him to ship/insure it back to you...right? Right...?
 
Liu Kang said:
You obviously do not know anything about knife lottery. Go and ask any knife maker that holds a knife lottery and ask them if they realize that more then half of the people that are in the lottery are with the intent of reselling the knife with the intent on making a profit and see what they say back to you. Try it. I can provide you with a list of makers if you wish.
Where do you think knife dealers get custom knives that nobody is allowed to order? Knife makers that hold auctions won't make or sell those custom knives even dealers and so that why there is the auction. That's just the way it is weather you like it or not.



Ok, show me any person that guarantees worldwide shipping? You don't do it and never have so what do you know about international shipping?



Again you are wrong, over $300 they will ask for a signature. And if the item is lost and goes to court, USPS will have to provide a signed copy of acceptance or proof of delivery. And not everyone here is unemployed and sitting home to wait for a package, some people have actual jobs so if you required a signature or heavily insure the package, then, they are required to be there when the package is delivered. This can be a problem since not everyone can be home so many ask for a simple delivery confirmation number. So the option of getting insurance is up to the buyer. I have never lost any packages that was shipped within the 48 states.

As for the $11, I did not give that back because I changed my mind about selling the knife to Eric and he knows this. I asked for the knife back and he refused and we have not gotten along since then. I did not want to do business with him and simply wanted my knife back so I was willing to pay for every penny he spent along with his cost for USPS money order and shipment of the knife back to me but he refused. Everyone keeps saying a deal is not complete until both party is happy, well I wasn't happy and wanted my knife back!
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Last time(couple years ago)that I sent a knife overseas via global priority it automatically came with insurance although I do not remember how much.I do know they asked if I wanted to add more.
 
So LK, what are your plans for all your leftover inventory? Giveaway? :devilish:



LK=:greedy_dollars:+:stupid:
 
Just my .02- you both have a little nerve.

LK-You can't do that man-charge 11 more for the blade fine, but you cannot sell insurance and then not provide it. Your word means crap. This is America- if someone pays you a lot of money - 720.00- they want and deserve 720.00 worth of insurance-as stated to the buyer even. Nothing stated to Eric that if somehow the mailman decided it was a nice gift for his son; there is nothing in writing that Eric will receive 720.00 back or a replacement. Your word or anyone's means nothing in a court of law. I believe you would have made it right- but that is not even the point.
I have actually purchased a LionSteel Moletta from Dan and got great service- shipped out the next day-and for less then a lot of websites. There are a lot of crooks ON HERE! So at least you will ALWAYS get what you pay for when dealing with LK-which I respect. Busse/kin-big markups. He did send an amazing blade though-one that is hard to find, so I do see the premium somewhat. You just can't charge 11 more dollars in order to gain to your profit though.

Eric- have always thought of you as a real nice guy judging from your posting and your great attitude. With all due respect. But for 11.00- Take the high road bro. It is not worth your time even though you are right and he is being beyond cheap- your time is more valuable then that. Seems like it really is too- :) 2nd) Your selling THIS knife on RIPOFF-BAY right now for $765.00.


I hope someone does buy the blade, but that's not bad for beating the snot out of a beautiful pumpkin NMFBM for a year-paying 720.00- and now with love marks and all this complaining for how long now...and you have it for sale for: $765.00. So thats +45.00 profit. Not bad. kinda wish I got ripped off this way. :)
 
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Minus his shipping,ebay and pay pal fees out.
He would be lucky to pocket 665.00.
 
765.00 dollars less 9% eBay seller fee, plus 4% paypal fee, and shipping and insurance puts it way down under 700 dollars. BTW linking a live eBay auction is strictly forbidden here, CR33! (also he may not even sell it no more than he sold all those Spyderco Kopas, he had up buy it now for three hundred and something bucks a pop, your pick)
 
$765
Minus Ebay/payal fees ($71.39)
Minus Shipping/insurance which he is including: $18-$25.
Total in pocket with a $18 shipping fee: $675.61
Original Cost: $720
Net Loss= $44.39

Yeah total profit.

Please be more adept when making these kinds of accusation.
Lastly it's a Busse, it has warranty for even accidental damage and abuse. Read up on Busse warranty.
 
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I don't agree w/ LK's business ethics at all, but how many people on the forums have gotten "today's hot knife" which go for... Let's say...$385 from the maker and sold it for $600-$700 ???!!! And they just say it's "the current secondary market for that knife" !!! My point is that every one is out to turn a profit on hot products !!! I'm happy to say iv never ripped off another BF member to make a few bucks (I usually take a loss) ;)
 
You got the knife in good shape. If it had not arrived Liu would have covered it. Just let it go and go spend so time outside with that super sweet knife. Life's too short to waste time on this.
 
raschalt2000 said:
You got the knife in good shape. If it had not arrived Liu would have covered it. Just let it go and go spend so time outside with that super sweet knife. Life's too short to waste time on this.
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Why do you assume he would have covered it? Honestly is obviously not his strong suit, so why would you take his word on that?
 
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You got the knife in good shape. If it had not arrived Liu would have covered it. Just let it go and go spend so time outside with that super sweet knife. Life's too short to waste time on this.
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Yes, where is your proof that LK has ever stood behind one of his sales?

What is known is that LK will sell you a used or damaged knife as "new", then tell you to deal directly with Busse Combat if you have a problem.

What part of his behavior pattern convinces you that he'll ever say "sure, I'll refund your $700+ since it never showed-up!"
 
I'll just avoid LK shit, seeing how this went down.


I still want a Boss Street Terror Monkey, though..................
 
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