My experience with Liu Kang

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So for people that think no harm no foul. Let's think about this another way.

You pay money for car insurance. Then find out you had no coverage. But you didn't into a wreck or need to file a claim, so you let them keep the money?

Bottom line:
Sales terms were not met. That's all there is to this.
 
dericdesmond said:
Im sure he meant initially, ya know, when you refused.

Still waiting on that "story" or was the "slander"/me being a dealer wanting to drive you out conspiracy theory just that?
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exactly what i meant. lk, its pretty lowlife to do what you did. i have a question. if someone does not ask for insurance and the knife is really stolen, will you replace it or try to worm your way out of replacing it since you said you would if the knife eric ordered were stolen?
 
Cr33, i knew there was a reason why I had you on ignore. Thanks for going off topic and tryin to call me out, a real thanks to everyone for informing him.
 
cr33, $11.00 x however many people he has charged insurance money for and kept = a lot of money in his pocket which is wrong any way you look at it.
 
I want to know from LK's mouth if he charges insurance on all his packages but does not purchase it from the US postal system.
Do you cover all your packages through 'Self Insurance' or do you indeed pay for what is charged by you.
 
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I want to know from LK's mouth if he charges insurance on all his packages but does not purchase it from the US postal system.
Do you cover all your packages through 'Self Insurance' or do you indeed pay for what is charged by you.
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He doesn't charge for insurance remember? "98% of the people how buy [his] knives don't want insurance"

The other 2% who want insurance pay for it and don't get it.
 
I'm not 100%, but I'm about 95% sure I paid for it & my box said $8.20 on it. Not throwing fuel on the fire, because I got my knife & it's been a month. My memory's a bit foggy, but 95% sure. Having said that, I did really want the knife & got what I wanted at a markup, but not as bad as some I've been offered.
 
I just had Liu Kang send me a personal email since i made a previous comment....pretty funny

Not sure i can copy and paste it in here, but if i can, it's a good laugh:)
 
lemmuhj said:
I just had Liu Kang send me a personal email since i made a previous comment....pretty funny

Not sure i can copy and paste it in here, but if i can, it's a good laugh:)
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If it's personal, do not. However feel free to send me the PM anyways :D , and wait for OP's response.
 
Hey guys, just a reminder that a collector can purchase insurance on all packages sent within a given year. I'm just saying this because few posts make that distinction. Just because you don't see an insurance label on the box doesn't mean it's not insured. This has nothing to do with Dan since he has already said he does not insure his packages (or 98.2% of them). But many collectors have umbrella policies that cover all shipments. Those are policies that are paid for, not the kind of "self-insurance" where the seller rolls the dice. That's different. But when a seller has a legit private policy covering their shipments, you won't see the USPS insurance label on the box, but the package is insured. BTW, you're much better off with that type of insurance because USPS claims take forever, involve tons of paperwork, and they'll negotiate you down from the insured amount. If I was running a business I would never trust my customer satisfaction to the U.S. Postal claims division. If Dan is running a business, I wonder why he isn't insured. Maybe he "self-insures" his business--a practice probably more common in other countries. Since many collectors use private policies (and most businesses have umbrella policies), makes you wonder why someone moving that much product would "self-insure." I guess because then you can't ask for extra fees and inflated shipping costs on each package. I will say something else, though, that does make sense to me from a business standpoint. It's OK to charge for S&H, not just the S. Many folks forget about the H part, but it definitely costs a business money in terms of time, transportation, and materials to get to the S part. Individuals should forget about the H part though. Just build the cost of shipping into the product, that's the easier way to go. Carry on, I just didn't want collectors with legit insurance policies to get flamed because someone doens't see the label on the box.
 
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His self insurance is something that, to my knowledge, has only come up as part of the discussion in this thread. He never seemed to let anyone know via the T&C language at the start of his sale threads that he has such a thing in place. I think one can really only come to the conclusion that the self insurance is another pile of BS. I asked in a previous post if he had actual insurance for shipments but naturally that has gone ignored. If he had something legit like that wouldn't he be trumpeting it for everyone to see?

He talks about never losing a shipment as if he deserves more credit for it than the carrier who has delivered all of his packages. I've never lost a knife in shipment that I sold to someone but I don't consider this a reason to not put insurance on packages and think it's okay to take the risk because nothing has gone wrong so far. He can claim he would have paid for a lost package all day long but if you feel you can't take his word as good then until anyone ever sees such an action on his part to compensate a customer it's not worth the imaginary paper it's printed on.

I agree with you that it would be very wise to have actual insurance to cover shipping losses with as much business as he seems to do. But then we're trying to apply sound thinking to the actions of a man who seems motivated solely by greed. If he can not insure anything and make more money that way while crossing his fingers he never has to make good on a lost package, he will. He was dragged into having dealer status at this forum. He wanted to avoid being considered a dealer, someone who makes selling knives their business, for as long as possible. It strikes me that such a man would not necessarily be interested in taking all the reasonable steps a business would take for their own protection. Easier and cheaper to keep pretending you're not a dealer, just a dude with a million Busses.
 
i didnt read every single post, but i did read enough to put liu kang on my do not buy from list.
the business ethics and overall attitude are just wrong. i dont have a problem with the secondary market markup pricing, thats just business. but jamming a $700 knife into an undersized box with that hideous packaging and not insuring it was just...dumb. it shows either a lack of common sense or a general frugal nature that will affect the way you do business. you didnt really show any remorse either, you just coldly state you want your knife back. you made it sound like you traded him that knife, not sold it to him for profit. i would have immediately refunded the $11 and apologized for the shoddy packaging and the insurance mixup, not make excuses.
 
Jamescaan said:
Boy, I just read this thread and wow... If I had been trying to find a particular Busse, there is no way in hell I'd pay for it and NOT expect REAL insurance. I have no dog in this particular fight, but it cracks me up how Mr Huang deflects the question of charging money for something he didnt provide. Then, when it turns on him, rather than refund the money for what wasnt provided, he says he wanted to buy the knife back...

Hey, quick question, if he HAD taken your offer to buy the knife back, would YOU have been ok with the lousy packaging and no insurance on it when it was shipped back to you?
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my thoughts exactly
 
thanks for sharing this information eric
- it's been immediately helpful in a purchase decision - thanks again for steering me clear of this cheat
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scamming some buyer someway some how, like others have mentioned buyer asked for insurance the seller did not even provide safe shipping or insurance! I would be upset the seller just pocketed the extra 10-11$ since shipping only costed $8.20 how obvious is that?

I apologize for the comment made regarding ethnic involvement, I just get so frustrated about certain groups of people who are involved in certain crimes. Again I apologize fully and entirely on my behalf of myself.
 
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Glock- the racism is not appreciated nor is it needed. This is a discussion of an individual who does not understand that we are a community that is sick of the disgusting manner in which he treats OUR family. Money is the only thing this understands, which is why this thread exists- to let people know that this kind of behavior (and it is sanctioned by Busse so I take this into account as well) is not acceptable to the vast majority here. His is a kind of poison that is not needed here. Funny how so many others can exist well knowing that they are here to make money (every knifemaker that has his own sub forum!). The difference is they care about knives and this place for more than profits, while LK cares only about himself and profit. Look at his actions, compares with the generosity seen elsewhere here on a daily basis.

And LK, you made it onto my radar long ago, and this isn't coming from one of your competitors as I do not sell my collection, and seeing as I have yet to make a knife this year, I have also not sold a knife this year. I reject you for what you are and how you act as if you do not care for what so many of us hold dear.

Before I do a transaction here I look at feedback, iTrader, and then I look at a couple of pages of your posts. If you are a contributer to the forum I am nicer to deal with. If you are a parasite that only exists in the exchange or only in areas to plug what you are selling, then I label you a parasite and treat you accordingly, if at all.

And you, 'sir' are the epitome of a BF parasite.
 
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Wow, thanks dericdesmond for reopening. :eek:

Very. interesting. damaging. informative. thread.

I am newish here and was drawn in by the great pics and variety in all the LIU KANG for sale threads.
Weeks of dreaming and browsing them before I started buying BusseKin here.
I am basically the exact person this thread helps the most, "Bussekin addicted and seeking the next grail"

Now I'll look differently on all those poor blades being held hostage by this person of questionable honor, true shame.

Very interesting smartassed liar exposing thread.

Good luck selling that NMFBM, hate to see it go from grail to so much bitterness.
 
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