My experience with Liu Kang

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snowreaper1 said:
Its not a moot point just because the buyer received the knife without any potential problems.
If a drunk driver arrives saftely at his destination is it a moot point that he drove drunk but didnt get caught.
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So we're comparing drunk driving to an oversight regarding packing insurance??

The buyer was given the impression that the extra fee was for a service the seller would purchase.
If LK is going to self insure he should make that known to the seller so they can decide if they want to trust his word.
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LK admitted it was an oversight. He would have bought the insurance had he paid better attention to the email traffic, which he admits he didn't. The end result is no different than it would have been had total postage been $14 with insurance... Either way, the buyer paid more than he needed to. If he's not happy, the seller has offered a full refund. If the seller really needs that hard earned 1hr worth of pay, then he'd very likely be better served with the full $720 in cash than with a freaking knife in the first place. JMHO of course.

What other fees does the seller ask for but instead pockets as extra profit? Paypal charges like 3-3.5% for a fee,
Lk charges 5%? On top of the already inflated prices...... who in their right mind would buy from this guy
if they knew his business ethics and tactics.
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The OP, that's who. There is a ridiculously long thread in another section of the forums that you have access to that has clearly called out some of LK's shady tactics, and the OP is the 8th highest poster in that thread. I'm not taking up for LK's general pricing or practices, but the OP definitely cannot claim ignorance to them. Even so, he still willingly entered into a deal with the seller knowing these things ahead of time. If the cost of shipping and insurance played such a key factor in his overall satisfaction of the deal, he should have requested an 'actual shipping cost' quote prior to agreeing on a price.
 
M67 said:
Eric paid for the knife, shipping, and insurance. He recieved 2 out of those 3 things.
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How would the outcome have been any different with seeing an insurance sticker on the box? Just the fuzzy warm feeling of knowing that the extra money didn't end up in the seller's pocket?

As for hypothetical situations, recieving a damaged knife and avoiding the situation has happened before.

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"I would have to agree with you that his communication was good, but he sent me a knife that he had multiples of, it had a damaged handle from someone buffing the blade.
When I contacted Dan with this information he was very quick to respond with "have you contacted Scrapyard Knives? They will sought any problems out for you under thier warranty".
He sold a damaged knife as new then tried to push the problem back onto the manufacturer.
Also I recall the postage charge was $15 and the actual postage on the envelope was $5-6.
You would think that he could have checked the condition of the knife before he sent it,considering that he is a knife dealer and I paid using the personal tab (at Dan's request)on Paypal."


Being a great businessman is giving your cutomer what he paid for, and making the effort to try a little harder.
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Whether or not something like that had happened in the past really is a moot point. The buyer received the knife he purchased. The seller unintentionally made a 1.5% higher profit on the sale than the buyer thought he was going to make. Does that make the knife's value change? Does the seller's past instances of shadiness make this knife any less valuable? Sorry, but I don't see how it correlates. Now, had the buyer not received the knife, and the seller refused to back it, then yeah, I can see the big deal. The fact that the seller unintentionally made an extra $11 is hardly worth all this discussion IMHO.
 
I see horrible packing, a deceptive insurance offer, and violation of Paypal's Terms of Service.

I don't know what you're seeing Medic.
 
Medic1210 said:
So we're comparing drunk driving to an oversight regarding packing insurance??

LK admitted it was an oversight. He would have bought the insurance had he paid better attention to the email traffic, which he admits he didn't. The end result is no different than it would have been had total postage been $14 with insurance... Either way, the buyer paid more than he needed to. If he's not happy, the seller has offered a full refund. If the seller really needs that hard earned 1hr worth of pay, then he'd very likely be better served with the full $720 in cash than with a freaking knife in the first place. JMHO of course.

The OP, that's who. There is a ridiculously long thread in another section of the forums that you have access to that has clearly called out some of LK's shady tactics, and the OP is the 8th highest poster in that thread. I'm not taking up for LK's general pricing or practices, but the OP definitely cannot claim ignorance to them. Even so, he still willingly entered into a deal with the seller knowing these things ahead of time. If the cost of shipping and insurance played such a key factor in his overall satisfaction of the deal, he should have requested an 'actual shipping cost' quote prior to agreeing on a price.
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1. Not comparing, making a point

2.You dont know that. And I dont know if he indeeds pockets the insurance money from every transaction but I can make an edcuated guess based on what Ive seen of his business etchis and
say he proably does. And its not about the 1 hours worth of money..... principal, right?

3.This is where they share some blame. The OP knowingly paid the overinflated price but unknowingly paid for insurance backed by the BANK of LK
 
Medic, you have made multiple comments about me being the 8th highest poster in that other thread. With exception to one post of which I admit I regret making, Ive been one of the most objective posters in that thread so I really dont get your point. This thread has nothing to do with that one, it was an experience I had that I viewed as negative and I think it was a good thing to start it. You obviously disagree and thats all good.
 
5.56 said:
I see horrible packing, a deceptive insurance offer, and violation of Paypal's Terms of Service.

I don't know what you're seeing Medic.
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What I'm seeing is a freaking thread from over a year ago that should have been left dead and buried. As for the violation of paypal's TOS, the OP has stated he paid with a MO, so he paid no inflated paypal fee, so there was no violation of the TOS. As for deception, the seller said it was a mistake, and offered a full refund. Why the seller is digging this BS up after all this time is beyond me.
 
Medic, FYI, charging any fee for Paypal is a violation of TOS, whether the OP paid it or not.
 
dericdesmond said:
Medic, you have made multiple comments about me being the 8th highest poster in that other thread. With exception to one post of which I admit I regret making, Ive been one of the most objective posters in that thread so I really dont get your point. This thread has nothing to do with that one, it was an experience I had that I viewed as negative and I think it was a good thing to start it. You obviously disagree and thats all good.
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My point in bringing up your participation in that thread was in regards to you not being blind to his business/charging practices. It had nothting to do with you being for or against him. Simply that you knew. Now, in hindsight, after seeing this thread was from over a year prior to that other thread even being started, my reference isn't valid. I see that now. I still don't understand why this prior-locked thread was dug back up over a year later.
 
Medic1210 said:
How would the outcome have been any different with seeing an insurance sticker on the box? Just the fuzzy warm feeling of knowing that the extra money didn't end up in the seller's pocket?
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Yeah, pretty much. If you spent that much on a knife, paid for insurance, and when you recieved it didn't see it was insured would you be upset? Wouldn't your heart rate pick up a little knowing that you got lucky this time, and if your knife went missing you'd have to rely on someone keeping their word about reimbursement?

Medic1210 said:
Whether or not something like that had happened in the past really is a moot point. The buyer received the knife he purchased. The seller unintentionally made a 1.5% higher profit on the sale than the buyer thought he was going to make. Does that make the knife's value change? Does the seller's past instances of shadiness make this knife any less valuable? Sorry, but I don't see how it correlates. Now, had the buyer not received the knife, and the seller refused to back it, then yeah, I can see the big deal. The fact that the seller unintentionally made an extra $11 is hardly worth all this discussion IMHO.
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So, you're saying that until a knife of his ends up missing that we can't judge him on self insurance and to see if the buyer would actually be paid out of the seller's pocket?
 
5.56 said:
Medic, FYI, charging any fee for Paypal is a violation of TOS, whether the OP paid it or not.
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If the seller is wrapping an increased fee into the price of the knife prior to a sale, then it's just extra profit. It's only a violation of TOS if he's charging additional after the agreement to use paypal. That apparently wansn't the case in this deal, so while the seller may violate the TOS in other sales, it wasn't violated in this deal. Paypal was not even used for this transaction.
 
M67 said:
Yeah, pretty much. If you spent that much on a knife, paid for insurance, and when you recieved it didn't see it was insured would you be upset? Wouldn't your heart rate pick up a little knowing that you got lucky this time, and if your knife went missing you'd have to rely on someone keeping their word about reimbursement?
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Whole lot of "if's" in that... If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his a$$ when he hopped. ;)

That being said, I'm removing myself from this zombie thread. I had no freaking clue it was from a transaction that occurred over a year ago. If the OP wanted to link his locked thread in the other guy's thread, that's cool, but to unlock it simply to bring it back from the dead after all this time is ridiculous. You guys have fun arguing the merits of an unintentional mistake that changed absolutely nothing with the product the buyer received. Peace out.
 
Medic1210 said:
To the OP.... dude, get over it man. This crap needs to be locked again. :rolleyes:
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I was and am over it, thats why I locked it while it was still hot and always on the top of the page. However, after readin LKs smart arss thanks to everyone in the other thread I decided to re open this one. If you dont like it, quit postin, makes no diff to me as all Im doin is informing others of a past transaction. Gotta love gbu.
 
Deric i pretty much totally agree with you! If I pay for something, I expect to get what I have payed for. Lui Chang has claimed that he wouldve covered it if any issue had happened. But how do we really know that? Thats why we purchase insurance I believe right!? We want our "package" to arrive safe and sound, packaged correctly and insured.....just in case, something shud happen during the shipping process! Lets face it, we are pretty much taking the sellers word for it when we buy something off the forum! Im sure people have gotten scammed numerous times and thats probably why so many of us use insurance and del confirmation! I can only imagine the headache u wouldve gone through if the tip had broken off during shipping! Sounds to me like you wouldve had to hire an attorney to get things right with this guy! He actually kinda sounds like a lawyer with his responses!! If I were you I d put the knife in an envelope and send it back to him!!
 
Honestly, if a guy wants a PayPal upcharge and padded shipping and has lots of screw-you rules and caveats and overprices his items to begin with and has a bad reputation here, I look elsewhere for my purchases. Avoids some of the potential issues.
 
dericdesmond said:
I was and am over it, thats why I locked it while it was still hot and always on the top of the page. However, after readin LKs smart arss thanks to everyone in the other thread I decided to re open this one. If you dont like it, quit postin, makes no diff to me as all Im doin is informing others of a past transaction. Gotta love gbu.
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And I thank you for re-opening as I was unaware of this thread and Im sure many newbies as well who would benefit with having a little more knowledge on their side.
 
Medic1210 said:
I notice neither you nor anybody else has said what would be said if the package arrived with insurance, and the postage still turned out to be $6 less than paid. Would there still be an uproar over the difference?
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Sorry I missed this. No, I would not of said anything had it been insured and he came out on top. I actually chose the $20 thinking he would come out a little on top.

Despite your disapporval of this thread, I find it hard to believe had you made a similar mistake of not insuring a $700 knife, regardless if you think you were in the right, would of justified keeping the $11 that I or whoever else felt was entitled to. Yeah yeah, you keep sayin he would undo the entire deal and he made a mistake, well wth? HE made the mistake, back it up and say "here ya go, heres that $11 that I dont deserve", DONE. Had I undone the deal, it would of cost him more then $11 to return the knife and return my $ via usps M/O. And not that I really cared about paying for Insurance, but techincally, it is for the seller, not buyer. I didnt need the Insurance, but I paid it cause Im not that concerned about a few bucks. A mistake, pfff, shipping a $700 knife regardless if the buyer purchases insurance is a mistake in it self. I guarantee that Uncle Sam or Paypal would agree .
 
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