My experience with Liu Kang

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Indeed!
Thank you for resurrecting this thread!
I was completely unaware of the shady and
unscrupulous methods in which this guy seems to
operate his business.
Because of this thread I have researched and found
MANY disturbing threads in which this "Liu Kang" seems
to be the subject.
this one here seems to really show how bad he is
(its a long read,but rather interesting if you have time,and are at all
concerned about your financial safety when purchasing here at BladeForums)
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Again,
thanks to whoever it was that brought this one back up
Medic1210 or dericdesmond or whoever.... :thumbup:
I will make sure to put a note in my "who not to deal with" book


A kind member informed me that linking to the Xxxxxx Xxxx
is a Bozo Nono (thanks much!)
I dont wanna get infractulated so I deleted the link
(too late,1 point violation! :) )
If you go to http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/670-Community-Discussion-Forums
and click on xxxSOMETHINGxxx
then look for Liu Kang thread
 
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The buyer paid for insurance. He received the package, therefore the insurance wasn't needed. That's the nature of insurance.

The seller accepted payment for insurance and didn't purchase it. Therefore insurance never existed, regardless of whether the seller says after the fact that he would have self-insured the package.

If the package had been lost and the seller had to refund the cost of the knife, that would not have been self-insurance. The seller would merely be paying for his own error.

Put simply, insurance never existed, the buyer didn't get what he paid for, and the buyer is due a refund.
 
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caseguy said:
The buyer paid for insurance. He received the package, therefore the insurance wasn't needed. That's the nature of insurance.

The seller accepted payment for insurance and didn't purchase it. Therefore insurance never existed, regardless of whether the seller says after the fact that he would have self-insured the package.

If the package had been lost and the seller had to refund the cost of the knife, that would not have been self-insurance. The seller would merely be paying for his own error.

Put simply, insurance never existed, the buyer didn't get what he paid for, and the buyer is due a refund.
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^ This.

Liu Kang may very well have refunded the cost of the knife/shipping if the package had been lost in the mail; however, since dericdesmond paid for insurance, the package should never have been sent without it. "Betting the odds" that the package won't be lost in the mail and pocketing the $ for insurance is unethical.
 
What a blood sucker(Lui Kang). For eleven dollars this guy would rather argue and try to turn it around and harass the buyer into accepting the fact that you got it so now it's a mute case. If you are going to sell something and act self insured(who are you Donald Trump?) them say so. When one asks for insurance I am sure 99.999% of the buyers assume we are talking about insurance offered by the USPS. And wow, this guy offered insurance at a rate higher than what the post office charges. I guess LK feels that the buyer will be so engrossed in their new knife that they will not question how it got there. Personally, I would have returned the knife for the principle of not being a chump who was misleadingly overcharged in plain sight. What a great business plan to nurture future sales. What a P - -. There is no middle road. Your either honest or your not.
 
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I did offer you a complete and full refund and you refused. It was your choice, live with it.
 
I really regret trying to help you recover those funds on that knife you got ripped off on prior to this ordeal.
 
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If you were willing to offer a full refund why didn't you refund the money he paid you for insurance that you didn't buy?
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Because if the knife really did get lost, I would have paid him his money back out of my own pocket and to me that's insurance.
 
Liu Kang said:
Because if the knife really did get lost, I would have paid him his money back out of my own pocket and to me that's insurance.
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To you, maybe. However, this is not about you. You offered insurance, which to the rest of the world, means USPS insurance. You didn't provide such.
 
Liu Kang said:
Because if the knife really did get lost, I would have paid him his money back out of my own pocket and to me that's insurance.
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That's the funniest thing I've ever heard, what a joke.

Banks shouldn't even be FDIC insured, we'll just have you give everyone a guarantee.
 
Medic1210 said:
I notice neither you nor anybody else has said what would be said if the package arrived with insurance, and the postage still turned out to be $6 less than paid. Would there still be an uproar over the difference?
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I am not saying that there would or there would not, but I think the main problem was the exposed tip. Safety first.

-Josh
 
Liu Kang said:
Because if the knife really did get lost, I would have paid him his money back out of my own pocket and to me that's insurance.
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Did you tell the purchaser up front that the insurance he was paying for was being provided by you, rather than the USPS, which he undoubtedly assumed?

If you did not, then you owe the man a refund because he paid for something he didn't receive, i.e., insurance from the USPS. Anything less is unethical.
 
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lava_lamp said:
Honestly, if a guy wants a PayPal upcharge and padded shipping and has lots of screw-you rules and caveats and overprices his items to begin with and has a bad reputation here, I look elsewhere for my purchases. Avoids some of the potential issues.
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Exactly my view as well.
 
Well, I simply forgot to put insurance on it, I'm human and make mistakes. So I said I would have covered it with my own money should it not have arrived. Well, I offered him his complete money back (check his first post cause he copied and pasted it from our emails) and he refused. So if you are not happy with the transaction just ask for a complete refund which I offered him. So regardless of what he says, he was happy, and if he says otherwise, ask him why he didn't take me up on my offer for a full and complete refund.
 
Liu Kang said:
Well, I simply forgot to put insurance on it, I'm human and make mistakes. So I said I would have covered it with my own money should it not have arrived. Well, I offered him his complete money back (check his first post cause he copied and pasted it from our emails) and he refused. So if you are not happy with the transaction just ask for a complete refund which I offered him. So regardless of what he says, he was happy, and if he says otherwise, ask him why he didn't take me up on my offer for a full and complete refund.
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Why didn't you offer him his entitled $11 instead????
 
You forgot, so why not give him back the money he paid for a service you neglected to purchase? Charging someone for insurance, then forgetting to purchase it is not the same as saying he had insurance because you would have covered it. Just ask him or anyone else.

Offering to cancel the transaction is a grand gesture but why should he want to cancel if he was happy with the knife? Are most people going to return a new car if the ash tray is dirty? No, they just want it clean like it should have been.

He didn't want to return the knife he just wanted you to refund the money he paid you to buy insurance, which you admittedly forgot to do. So why don't you? It makes you look like a dirt bag. Read through the thread- most people agree you are in the wrong here....

I would think $11 is a small price to pay for one's reputation....
 
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You bought a $700 dollar knife and you're pissed about a $13 dollar difference in shipping fees? Sorry, I've sold a ton of stuff over the internet (mostly music gear) and have never quoted exact shipping rates, especially with private sales. Have you had to stand in line at the post office lately? My time is worth more than the wait (which can be upwards of 30 minutes depending on how busy your local office is).

The guy took a risk sending you the knife without insurance, and that risk could have meant for a full refund had they lost it or damaged it. However, there was no damage to the knife. That being the case, this is not worth posting emails back and forth and stirring up a bunch of animosity over something that didn't result in any real damages. I think we can all walk away from this and have the moderator delete it. This kind of thread is an eyesore on a forum.
 
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