My new wilderness knife

[j williams]

Ha!! I see your point too man. I in no way think if you dont conform to the ideas and practices of others, that makes you a bad guy, or any less knowlagable. I also wouldnt venture to say that anyone, yourself included is not a true outdoorsmen if you do things your way. Overcome and adapt is what I always preach, and I raise my boys to be free thinkers, and not to conform. I want them to blaze there own trails, as I do, and figure out what works for them, and stand up and carry a big "stick" when it comes to defending their family and ideology. That rings true in all parts of their lives. :thumbup:

However, I always teach them, and follow myself, to listen to the voices of those(particularly the elderly, who sometimes get disregarded) who have "walked the path", but not to follow, just to theorecticaly " see another path" they might have missed before.

I give you props for standing behind your convictions. Thats rare these days. :thumbup:

 

[attej]

Prying for one. The ability to endure more stress.

Yeah its pretty obvious that a thicker piece of steel can endure more stress that a thinner one. What I was intrested in was the particular uses for a thick knife... I mean, tasks that one couldnt do with a "normal" knife?

About prying, IMHO its more about the heat treatment than about the thickness. A knife thats properly hardened to hold a decent edge shouldnt be used for prying. But, thats just my opinion. I think a knife is a cutting tool, and has enough uses as one.

 

[James_Terrio]

Nevermind.

My thoughts exactly, Chris.

 

[Steel-Junky]

Steel Junky, I know you've told us "bushcraft people" a MILLION times, but I dont think anyone asked for your opinion once.

God forbid someone have a different idea than what's printed in your Bushcraft Bible.

Although it was clear from the description of the cut in my first post that I wasnt talking about chopping or batoning, for some reason you just can't seem to get away from that, but even then you're wrong.

Not really. You weren't clear. You were actually the exact opposite of clear. But anyway, I never suggested that the most extrememly thick edge was the best chopper either. Just that it's more durable. I said in very clear english that I often lay the edge down slightly on some thicker edged blades to achieve what I consider optimal. Now... what I consider optimal is not an edge that is suited for carving little figurines... I like a little more beef than that. And I'm by no means saying you're not welcome to use what you like. But you come off as if people don't believe your way is the only way... then their just wrong. And that's just silly.

Thin edges chop better. There's a reason felling axes have thin sharp edges and not "beefy" ones, they cut deeper with less resistance.

So you're telling me that the blade behind the edge on an axe is gonna be just as thick as the blade behind the edge on a carving knife? Because if that were the case it would buckle. Now... does a chopping axe have a thinner edge than a splitting axe... absolutely. Two different chores there. But I can promise you that most axes have thicker blades behind the edge than do most knives. So thicker edge is really relative here.

As for splitting, that has very little to do with the edge and everything to do with the wedge like profile of the blade.

I'm not sure I'd go that far as to say it has very little to do with the edge. I mean... the wedge like profile is the edge. It's why it works like it does. I would say that it's edge type is the very reason it works like it does.

The reason for thicker edges is to overcome the limitations of steel.

You obviously has never played with INFI... it's an awesome steel and has very few lmitations. Seriously... check it out.

It's pretty obvious you have very little experience actually using these tools because if you had this would all be self evident and wouldn't need explaining to you, and if you've actually done any of these tasks you say you need to be able to do you'd realize that half of the ones you listed involve 'carving'.

LMAO! Here we go... the part I love. If I don't subscribe to what your little bushcraft bible tells you is good... then I'm an idiot. Nice. I grew up in the woods of Georgia. Being in the wilderness is a way of life here. If you don't think I'd make the cut at the anual bushcrafters convention... it's ok. I don't think I'll attend anyway. But I do just fine outdoors.

And as for carving... we see that as two different things you and I. To be able to notch a piece of wood isn't something you need an Ultra Thin edge for. To do intricate carving... sure... a thin edge is the order of the day. But not to put a stupid notch in a piece of wood. C'mon... stop it... you don't really believe that do you. I mean I know that's what your bushcraft manual told you... but c'mon... you can do it with a hatchet.

You've proven to be condescending, ignorant and very conceited

Ahhhhh name calling. The last stand of a man with a very weak argument. This tells me you're almost done.

and frankly I'm through wasting my time reading your erroneous opinions

I truly wish that you would ignore me. I truly wish you wouldn't reply to me at all. But I know you will. You just can't stand that I don't think like you do. And what bothers you even more is that I do just fine not following the same rules your little book told you were of the greatest importance. It's ok. We don't always have to agree.

 

[Steel-Junky]

About prying, IMHO its more about the heat treatment than about the thickness. A knife thats properly hardened to hold a decent edge shouldnt be used for prying.

That's the thing though... a well heat treated blade should have some flex to it and return to true. So a nice thick blade can pry well and have some give to it. A thicker blade is also good for hammering, digging, and even driving the knife into something with say a rock. Thinner blades are apt to snap or bench in some of these tasks. All of which can in certain situations we useful.

 

[Steel-Junky]

Steel Junky has quite a history of coming to this board to try a point out our "ignorance" and inform us the knowledge we have gathered over our years and years in the woods is worthless because it is at odds with his superior knowlege.

Where was I when I was doing this LMAO.

Usually when he come and asks a question he already has his mind made up about the answer. Remember when he came to tell us that Busse was the ultimate knife for bush craft? Or rather "ask" why we didn't consider Busse the ultimate bushcrafting knife.

See... you're rewritting history in a dumb way. I asked "What's so special about a Bushcraft Knife" because I wanted to know why these short thin bladed knives were such a fad all of a sudden. And it turns out that the hobby or sport or whatever you wanna call it of Bushcraft has become very popular and that sort of knife lends itself to fine carving and therefore makes it useful for bushcraft. And I learned that. I stated that I carry Busse knives when I do out into the woods and that I like them just fine. When the big disagreement started was when a member stated that a Busse was too thick and and didn't have the edge geometry to be a good "WILDERNESS" knife... not bushcraft. And I disagreed whole heartedly and still do. Is it a bushcraft knife for carving ducks and pipes... no... but a knife for field use and survival. For building traps and snares and shelters and fire making... IT RULES. It's not a carving knife. But it's one of the best wilderness knives you can own. But because I do not subscribe to the bushcraft bible I am seen as ignorant and confrontational. Maybe I am confrontational... but I'm not gonna sit there and let someone say something stupid and not pipe up. Especially if they're saying something stupid about me. LOL

There are many people like this in the world the best thing to do is just smile nod and ignore every thing they say, getting upset or trying to educate them is a waste of time, you can't fill a closed mind.

Pleae ignore me. Please... I really mean it. It would mean the world to me.

 

[Steel-Junky]

This looks like a great knife however I am quite sure that is a Scrap Yard logo not Busse (I prefer SY anyways:thumbup

Busse Combat, Scrapyard, and Swamp Rat are kinda all related. You did know that right?

 

[Steel-Junky]

Ha!! I see your point too man. I in no way think if you dont conform to the ideas and practices of others, that makes you a bad guy, or any less knowlagable. I also wouldnt venture to say that anyone, yourself included is not a true outdoorsmen if you do things your way. Overcome and adapt is what I always preach, and I raise my boys to be free thinkers, and not to conform. I want them to blaze there own trails, as I do, and figure out what works for them, and stand up and carry a big "stick" when it comes to defending their family and ideology. That rings true in all parts of their lives. :thumbup:

However, I always teach them, and follow myself, to listen to the voices of those(particularly the elderly, who sometimes get disregarded) who have "walked the path", but not to follow, just to theorecticaly " see another path" they might have missed before.

I give you props for standing behind your convictions. Thats rare these days. :thumbup:

I get along with just about everyone here. Seriously. I've made some good friends here and they are great guys. But if someone wants to lock horns with me... I can do it all day long. And for those that think it's this way or your wrong... I kinda feel sorry for them. There's 639 ways to skin a cat.

 

[attej]

That's the thing though... a well heat treated blade should have some flex to it and return to true. So a nice thick blade can pry well and have some give to it. A thicker blade is also good for hammering, digging, and even driving the knife into something with say a rock. Thinner blades are apt to snap or bench in some of these tasks. All of which can in certain situations we useful.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I agree, all the above are things I wouldnt do with my knife (no matter the thickness). To be honest, I havent even considered using a knife that way. I suppose thats because of how I see knives in general... what they are meant for, and what they are not meant for. But I've used a puukko since I was a little kid, so my view might be limited in this matter

Anyway, I think that Busse is a fine looking knife, hope you enjoy it :thumbup:

 

[baldtaco-II]

VTguy, hola

You're correct amigo. It's the little Mud Puppy with a blade about the size of a big SAK. I know it's not strictly accurate to call it a Busse because of whatever the cunning marketing ploy is and how the papers were shuffled, but after some protracted observation I think for all practical purposes I consider them all just Busse with different factory branding. I don't think this is the place to chat that though. Sufficient to note that even the Busse enthusiasts seem to have embraced the “Busse-Kin” idea since I first saw that term used to describe an unofficial Busse trade forum that grew out of frustration at the Swamp Rat forum. This is one of those times in which I relax and allow my lack of sophistication to work for me ;-)

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Sorry folks. As you were.

 

[tonym]

because I wanted to know why these short thin bladed knives were such a fad all of a sudden.

I always thought the big thick blades were the fad.


I don't have a dog in this fight and I will stay out of it.

However, I will say that you certainly have a way of twisting statements to suit your ideals.

 

[attej]

I always thought the big thick blades were the fad.

"Its no secret that knives are phallic symbols"
- Cody Lundin

... Sorry, I just had to...

 

[Steel-Junky]

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I agree, all the above are things I wouldnt do with my knife (no matter the thickness). To be honest, I havent even considered using a knife that way. I suppose thats because of how I see knives in general... what they are meant for, and what they are not meant for. But I've used a puukko since I was a little kid, so my view might be limited in this matter

Anyway, I think that Busse is a fine looking knife, hope you enjoy it :thumbup:

nah... not limited... just specific to your needs or what you see a knife is used for. I'm not saying that I do these things with a knife on a regular basis... I really only have done them to test it out and never out of a need it a sitaution to save my bacon. But I do know that these things can a do happen so I buy a tool that can handle it. But I bet you get around just fine with your tool of choice too.

 

[Steel-Junky]

I always thought the big thick blades were the fad.


I don't have a dog in this fight and I will stay out of it.

However, I will say that you certainly have a way of twisting statements to suit your ideals.

Not really. I don't think I've twisted anything. perception is an interesting thing isn't it. Thick blades have been around just as long as thin ones... I say Bushcraft knives are a fad becuase companies and makers that never offered them before are now all calmmering to offer the best one. They do marketing research and there has to be a reason why bushcraft is all over the knife forums these days. Wasn't so 3 years ago. Just my perception.

 

[tonym]

It all boils down to use.

Your gonna use what your gonna use, I'm gonna use what I'm gonna use. Unless you let me use what you were gonna use, and I'll let you use what I wanted to use; and the we can figure out what gave the best use.

Wait, did that make sense?

 

[j williams]

You lost me Tony. I gather there will be alot of knife usin going on!!!

 

[runningboar]

Does anybody but me think this guy is constantly trying to stir things up.

Bushcraft/Wilderness, who cares, people survived thousands of years with little sharpened slivers of rock, doubt it was infi rock, scandi or convex I'll bet it was just plain rock.

What is all this talk of carving ducks and figurines???? The only person I here talking this nonense is SJ. Peeling an apple, slicing some cheese and salami, cleaning my fingernails, cleaning the trout I just caught, really don't need $400 infi to do that.

Perfect knife? I really don't think I NEED much more than a chinese wally world butcher knife, folks made it for a long, long time without the silly stuff we fuss about. I hear all this about having to have a super tough knife and a knife you can pry with. I have never broken a knife and can't remember a single time a knife has let me down, knives rank right up there with inclined planes and levers for simple machines, not a helluva lot to go wrong with one.


Yes I have been hitting the cider jug and couldn't resist replying to all this drivel. Chris

 

[James_Terrio]

Does anybody but me think this guy is constantly trying to stir things up.

No, it's not just you.

But if someone wants to lock horns with me... I can do it all day long.

Why? Seriously man, why? Go to Whine & Cheese or the Pirate's Cove for that kind of internet-commando nonsense.

 

[SpookyPistolero]

Does anybody but me think this guy is constantly trying to stir things up.

Of course he is, I've been saying that since the first thread. I've got him on block so can't say much specifically, but do not feed the troll, people!!!

 

[Steel-Junky]

It all boils down to use.

Your gonna use what your gonna use, I'm gonna use what I'm gonna use. Unless you let me use what you were gonna use, and I'll let you use what I wanted to use; and the we can figure out what gave the best use.

Wait, did that make sense?

LOL... Yeah I think I got it. But you're right... I say use what you like and if it works and you don't find it wanting in any way... then cool.