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Pete1977.. I understand completely.. I've personally used the 'if's it's too good to be true' rational a lot of the time myself so I definately understand the skepticisim.. personally I've never sold such a high volume of knives like this before, what I'm worried most about are the stock numbers being inaccurate or the supplier selling out to someone else that ordered before I placed mine (I jumped on any order I received as fast as humanly possible to place it with the supplier because of this) or even possibly the supplier being dishonest with me and not supplying me with the info that some of the knives are knock-offs or some such malarky along those lines.. belive me when I say I'm sweatting bullets.. I really want to serve the customer right but I can only go so far.. the supplier really has to tow their end as well.. and my face/reputation is on the line with them doing just that.

What I really object to is the 'ID Theft' speculation.. google doesn't give me cc numbers, cvv or any card info beyond a simple pass or fail notification to avs and cvv information the customer supplied them. The only info we get is the shipping address and name and if the customer opts to.. a real email address.. otherwise that's hidden as well.. it's basically quasi-anonymous shopping.. it's a major reason why I switched to using google checkout.

A lot of people are scared of shopping online because of how often the public media trumps up ID theft cases.. it is a real problem, don't get me wrong.. and having to divuldge personal information for what the customer preceives as a sketchy bargain is just too hard for some to do..
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Reference the red type in the quote above, since you are doing such a booming business here why not invest in the site and get your dealer membership. Or do you not plan on being around long enough for it to pay off?

I see excuses already starting to be formulated and blame shifted for when all the good members of this site get the shaft. Folks we just went through ANN-DEM, lets not follow it with this. Weren't enough members screwed already.

I did a little research through Colorado’s business records. I couldn’t find any records for this business or any business listing. The site is not Vera-sign approved. There are no listings, good or bad for this company in the BBB. Their contact phone number they give is not listed in any business or personal directory so is probably an unlisted private line. Their business address comes back to a home in a residential neighborhood. The neighbors must love all the trucks delivering all this merchandise to his door in bulk for him to resell. Remember besides knives he does everything from Abrasives to watches. Here is a Google link to his business. Before anyone complains I posted a link to his home, all I did was put the contact address from his site into Google, it’s not my fault his public business address is a residential building.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=1023+W+100th+Pl,+Northglenn,+CO&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&z=19&ll=39.878804,-104.999162&spn=0.001058,0.002688

His disclaimer specifically says they are not responsible for the accuracy of described merchandise. Oh and you are responsible for the returned shipping witch will probably be more than the item cost. And they will float your money for up to 60 days before you see it.
II. DISCLAIMERS AND LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
User expressly agrees that use of americanhomeoutlet.com is at User's sole risk. Neither americanhomeoutlet.com, nor its affiliates, nor any of their officers, directors, or employees, agents, third-party content providers, merchants, sponsors, licensors (collectively, "Providers"), or the like, warrant that americanhomeoutlet.com will be uninterrupted or error-free; nor do they make any warranty as to the results that may be obtained from the use of americanhomeoutlet.com, or as to the accuracy, reliability, or currency of any information content, service, or merchandise provided through americanhomeoutlet.com.
Who pays for return shipping?
For a return, you are responsible for the cost of returning the merchandise. Your return will be processed and your credit card credited within ten business days. Please allow up to two billing cycles for a refund to appear on your credit card statement.
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The neighbors must love all the trucks delivering all this merchandise to his door in bulk for him to resell.
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He never sees it. He gives your order to his supplier who ships it to you.
 
I want to place an order but something is warning me away. Better go with my first impression on this one till I see proof.
 
It seems that a lot of people have not heard of the old saying - IF IT SEEMS TO GOOD TO BR TRUE, IT PROBABLY IS.

I really hope everybody that ordered isn't going to get a/some $5.00 knockoff knife/knives, but I think it is much more likely that will happen than that everyone will get these knives for less than the manufacturers pay to have them made.
 
aho, do you have any of the knives you are selling in stock? If so, please take some photos of them and post the images here. That way folks here can see if the knives are authentic, or knockoffs.
 
aho said:
Pete1977.. I understand completely.. I've personally used the 'if's it's too good to be true' rational a lot of the time myself so I definately understand the skepticisim..
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Since you don't have any of the knives in your possession and therefore can't vouch for their authenticity, your skepticism is warranted.

aho said:
what I'm worried most about are the stock numbers being inaccurate or the supplier selling out to someone else that ordered before I placed mine
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It doesn't sound like you have much history or trust with your "supplier". When you offer something for sale, you are asking a potential customer to put faith in you. I wish you had as much faith in your supplier as you are asking of your customers.

aho said:
(I jumped on any order I received as fast as humanly possible to place it with the supplier because of this) or even possibly the supplier being dishonest with me and not supplying me with the info that some of the knives are knock-offs or some such malarky along those lines
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Again, it doesn't sound like you have a long history or a trust relationship with your supplier. Maybe you should have waited to get some of these in your possession to verify their authenticity before passing them along to your customers.

aho said:
.. belive me when I say I'm sweatting bullets.. I really want to serve the customer right but I can only go so far.. the supplier really has to tow their end as well..
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Baloney, you are selling the knives so you need to take responsibility. As far as the ELU is concerned, the responsibility is with you completely. If you are not 100% sure of the merchandise you are selling, then you should not sell it.


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and my face/reputation is on the line with them doing just that.
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What reputation? You do not have a reputation here....yet.


aho said:
A lot of people are scared of shopping online because of how often the public media trumps up ID theft cases.. it is a real problem, don't get me wrong.. and having to divuldge personal information for what the customer preceives as a sketchy bargain is just too hard for some to do..
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Yes alot of people are scared of ID theft, because alot of people have had their personal information stolen.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
aho, do you have any of the knives you are selling in stock? If so, please take some photos of them and post the images here. That way folks here can see if the knives are authentic, or knockoffs.
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There are pictures of the knives, and the number of them available on the site. And yes it does seem to good to be true. But I am not risking much money, and I cannot find any risk of identity theft using the Google check out. In the past three years I have purchased three high quality knives NIB at 1/3 to 2/3 of the retail price. If it turns out to be a scam it's my bad and I will admit it here. Before I call him a liar and a crook I need to see it proven. We shall see.
 
Micky..

That's well and good if we're an Incorporation, LLC, partnership or some such entity.. we're founded as a sole propritorship.. that explains your research and why you found nothing.. we operate under a registered trade name and that's what colorado law requires.

I've made no secret about how I do business.. I've made a lot of information public about the way I do business.. I've made no secret about the flow of money and what happens and when it happens.. I've posted everything in a very public manner.. more so than you'd get from other businesses out there.

I've already stated multiple times that I use drop shipping.. no merchandise is ever in my hands unless I have to have it shipped here for a relay to another location outside of the continental US ie: canada. at which point when it arrives here I open it, inspect it and close the box and re-ship with the additional cost for the method the customer had selected. So please stop jumping to assumptions, it doesn't help anyone.

Who wants to pay oodles of money to get a verisign certificate when other certificates work just as well? With verisign you pay for the name and not much else. Do they do a better job of certifying who is valid and who is not? No, not at all.. in fact most often I find verisign certificates useless for *real* verifications of proof of trust.

Here's a good question.. how many retailers actually front the money for return shipping? Hardly any and guess what.. you end up paying the shipping costs back to them in other manners (like price of item).

An unlisted number for a private office in a residential area.. is this unheard of with small companies? No. Is it more common than you think? Yes.

The BBB is a scam.. as long as you pay your dues they give you a favorable rating.. I've seen so many companies with literally thousands of negative reports.. and yet somehow the BBB still gives them a favorable endorsement.. seems a little wrong to me.

And about the name 'aho'.. abbreviated.. American Home Outlet.. and yes I see the humor potential in it but I think we're all mature enough to get past that.
 
Actually, I have seen many BBB members that have been given bad ratings by the BBB. I do feel that they don't do much for the money they ask for a membership though.
 
aho said:
I've already stated multiple times that I use drop shipping.. no merchandise is ever in my hands unless I have to have it shipped here for a relay to another location outside of the continental US ie: canada.
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So you are stating that unless the knives are going out of country you don't know if the knives you are selling are authentic or not? You should have at least one of every knife you seel shipped to you for inspection. This should be done on a regular basis. That way you would be safeguarding your customers. It would be more work for you, but I'm sure that no one would have a problem with you adding a couple of dollars to the price of each knife for this added protection. Especially since you are selling your knives at under manufacturers dealer cost by a large margin.
 
Slatts..

With this particular supplier.. I've worked with them for a while yet have overall had few sales of their merchandise.. when ever I do get a sale it doesn't have a problem so I feel confident that orders will process well in that respect..

What I am worried about is that another of the supplier's customers buying out the stock pervious to orders I've placed.. it's the nature of my business and I was making that public record so that people can be aware of potential problems.

I never came to this forum to sell anything.. in fact a member found me and I came to this forum after getting hammered with traffic and orders (I use the term hammered in the perspective of a small business). In the span of just a few days I've been vilified for just trying to be a good businessman..

I can only be as sure as the information I have in front of me.. that doesn't mean I can't get scammed by a supplier.. I'm letting people know that if this supplier is indeed offering knock-offs then I don't have that information.. everything I have here says the knives are authentic (unless the product description on the site says otherwise). But being the humble person that I am in taking the side of the customer I was acknowledging the potential for fraud on the supplier end..

I've now read a little on the Ann_dem scam.. delay after delay.. excuse after excuse.. a real pain for a lot of people.. but if you go around condemming every other business just because someone else did something wrong you can run yourself into a nice little loop of mistrust.. and that's just no way to be.

I'd like to think I currently have a reputation of responsiveness and openness..
 
Keith Montgomery said:
So you are stating that unless the knives are going out of country you don't know if the knives you are selling are authentic or not? You should have at least one of every knife you seel shipped to you for inspection. This should be done on a regular basis. That way you would be safeguarding your customers. It would be more work for you, but I'm sure that no one would have a problem with you adding a couple of dollars to the price of each knife for this added protection. Especially since you are selling your knives at under manufacturers dealer cost by a large margin.
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I hope this isn't considered advertising but as you can see from our website we do not offer just knives.. we offer many other products.. it would take literally 10s of millions of dollars just to get one of everything we sell.. and the space to put it all? Wow! Talk about cost there as well.. that's enough to bankrupt the most well intentioned business quickly.. compund that problem by me not be an avid knife enthusiast and having no idea how to even go about verifying authenticity of knives.. gemstones on the otherhand.. no problem.. give me a spectometer and I can tell you if a gem is real or fake.. but a knife.. I'm sorry but I'm just not the hobbyist you typically encounter on these boards.. so what I'm saying in my previous post is that I check the contents.. make sure all of the order is there.. that nothing is broken and it's all packaged up well. Basically a quality of shipment inspection.

In contrast.. do you expect the schlob working in the electronics department at wal*mart to know the difference between an isolator and an oscilator? No.. they have too many products and sell them at too low of a cost to be able to hire an expert in every single product field they supply.
 
Then you should not have a disclaimer on your website that states that you do not accept responsibilty for the products you are selling not being authentic. If you do not check the authenticity of your products, you should accept full responsibilty for their authenticity. If you do accept the responsibilty then you should not have a disclaimer stating the opposite on your website.

Also, if the products are knockoffs, you should pay for all shipping involved in the transaction when they are returned.
 
just to be totally antisocial the first note that drew me to this site was from "mug22" . I feel a proper mug now. I don't post often. This chap started his 6 posts a few days before this all broke out over a period when the banks were shut. It's enough to give anyone paranoia!
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Keith Montgomery said:
Then you should not have a disclaimer on your website that states that you do not accept responsibilty for the products you are selling not being authentic. If you do not check the authenticity of your products, you should accept full responsibilty for their authenticity. If you do accept the responsibilty then you should not have a disclaimer stating the opposite on your website.

Also, if the products are knockoffs, you should pay for all shipping involved in the transaction when they are returned.
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I'd say take a quick look inside the package.. check out the knife.. if it's not authentic I'd just take the package to ups or whomever and refuse the shipment and we'll do an RMA for the return.. send it back.. do a refund.. it's rather simple.. doing a new shipment and paying extra seems redundant.
 
Maybe we should relax just a little, no need to beat up on anyone. And we'll see how it turn out.
 
hobbyist said:
just to be totally antisocial the first note that drew me to this site was from "mug22" . I feel a proper mug now. I don't post often. This chap started his 6 posts a few days before this all broke out over a period when the banks were shut. It's enough to give anyone paranoia!
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Banks are shut down only in the brick and mortar sense. I can access my account on line, and there has been no unauthorizied activity. Computers don't take holidays or weekends off.
 
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