Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

Stubai said:
It would be highly interesting to climb inside the inner psychological workings of this operation. What makes them think that putting the customer off (time and time again) will eventually extricate themselves from their problems with filling orders? Do they feel that their numerous justifications will white-wash all of these stains and blemishes on their now voluminous but tarnished record witnessed here on BF? The paper trail and testimony of scores of displeased knife lovers isn't just going to vanish in thin air unless the world comes to a halt. And what about the massive competition waiting in the wings?

Why not just come clean, refund the money or fill the orders in prompt fashion? Or hire someone to actually answer the huge numbers of emails that have remained unanswered! Being oblivious to your customer base can't bode well for their feeble attempt to regain footing. Even if you did hire a host of folk to reboot this company you'd be trekking up hill all the way. Even Atlas himself would have trouble mustering the power to buttress Survive Knives.
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It's important to understand that this has never been the goal. Their goal is to make just enough knives that pictures of them get out onto the internet at large, making other people feel that FOMO, and place paid-up-front preorders so that they can continue to get away with raking in cash they haven't earned, and have no intention of ever delivering on the goods purchased.
 
"When you are offended at any man's fault, turn to yourself and study your own failings. Then you will forget your anger. If you're offended by S!K's fault, remind yourself that they are dirt bags and they deserve your rebuke."
- Epictetus
 
EngrSorenson said:
"When you are offended at any man's fault, turn to yourself and study your own failings. Then you will forget your anger. If you're offended by S!K's fault, remind yourself that they are dirt bags and they deserve your rebuke."
- Epictetus
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tokerblue said:
So Peters is the one who messed up the heat treat?
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I don't actually remember anymore, but I think that's who did the magnacut heat treat.


I have a hard time believing that Peters gootched the heat treat, but even if they did, S!K is extremely tacky for throwing the blame on them. S!K hired a company to do a job for them. Any mess created by a subcontractor is a mess created by the contractor. That's why pre-ordering from S!K is such a bad idea. people are gambling that there will be a positive outcome. They don't know if they're actually going to get a product with a reputable heat treatment or what.

I wouldn't be surprised if the heat treatments were actually Guy with a blow torch and some WD-40.
 
EngrSorenson said:
I have a hard time believing that Peters gootched the heat treat, but even if they did, S!K is extremely tacky for throwing the blame on them. S!K hired a company to do a job for them. Any mess created by a subcontractor is a mess created by the contractor. That's why pre-ordering from S!K is such a bad idea. people are gambling that there will be a positive outcome. They don't know if they're actually going to get a product with a reputable heat treatment
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That's my same thought. First they had issues with Delta 3V. Now they are throwing Peters under the bus. What a class act S! is.
 
One of my favorite videos, the crying about BF's starts around the 20:20 mark 🤣
 
Such a simple concept would be to finish the oldest orders and work up from there. Taking pre-orders stating they will be delivered within 90 days (lies), when folks have been waiting years is just crazy. Snake oil salesman.
 
tokerblue said:
That's my same thought. First they had issues with Delta 3V. Now they are throwing Peters under the bus. What a class act S! is.
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If you take Survive's statements as gospel truth, they have really bad luck. The worst luck on the planet. Might be best to steer clear of a company so constantly cursed by fate.
 
Boru13 said:
One of my favorite videos, the crying about BF's starts around the 20:20 mark 🤣
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That was 20 months ago. Like many times before, almost every prediction they made in that video did not come to pass.

edit to add:
at about 19:20 in that video:
"...we are going to fight you toe to toe about getting a refund..."
 
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There is new video about watercooled machine sharpening system (yet he showed us nothing in that video), so the production will be qucker from now on, right? Right?
 
tokerblue said:
April 2023 update. Now that we know that Survive! counts refunded orders as "Complete", we can't tell how much progress they actually make on older orders. They haven't posted an update in since January 2023. They say that their move delayed their production, but I'll let the numbers speak for them. 3 months!!!

They also decided to remove overall progress from the Production schedule. They also did not include any new orders in 2023. I have no idea why they would want to do that. :rolleyes:

2015: 0.0% in 3 months
2016: 0.4% in 3 months
2017: 0.0% in 3 months
2018: Complete
2019: 2.8% in 3 months
2020: 1.7% in 3 months
2021: 0.4% in 3 months
2022: 1.1% in 3 months

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Do these charts include cancelled/refunded orders as "completed"?
 
Danny Linguini said:
I wonder if they show you the department where they make up excuses.
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Fight you toe to toe, to get a refund... that's why I pay with PayPal. If they guarantee a product with a specific time frame and then don't deliver... PayPal will refund your money. At least they did for me on the last 2 refunds I got from these crooks. As long as you don't let it pass 6 months...
 
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