Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

I am not a metallurgist/knife maker/technician and can only speculate….. I certainly would not put it past Lying Guy to buy himself some “budget” or “runout” steel stock that may or may not be what it is supposed to be or perhaps better said is not the quality it is supposed to be and that then flows onto the HT process etc. Peters have a pretty damn good reputation in the industry so it is odd that it would be poor old Lying Guy that their whole stuff up landed on….I mean what are the odds ?
 
Boru13 said:
Guy’s always doing what’s best for his customers :rolleyes:
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Well he's lost me as a customer that's for sure. Not supporting a crook. I thought he was just a regular knife maker that was having big growing pains and little no to experience on how to run a business. Big eye opener.
 
EngrSorenson said:
Well that was a selling feature- come get the new 3V with delta heat treatment survive! knives!
after a while though, they dropped it and put out a video which basically claimed that the delta HT wasn't worth it after all.

... of course it probably is worth it to the people who wanted to buy a delta V3 knife, but S!K changed that up on them without notice.
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That's pretty shady right there. I had no idea that Guy helped to develop the Delta 3V Protocol, but to use it as a selling point, then just say " Nah we're not doing that anymore" without offering his customers a refund or anything is BS. More justified anger.
 
Reading about this crappy company in the same paragraph as Carothers makes me want to puke! They are as opposite as can be. CPK makes truly outstanding knives and correspond with customers asap regarding any questions. They would not lie about things, and really care about customers being happy with both the product and service. Nathan and Jo are accessible on the forum or the site. Truly outstanding folks there.
 
Macchina said:
Hey guys, I'm the guy who sent the 4.7 back and waited 3 years for a replacement. I would like to add that along that entire journey of the warranty process I contacted them 4-5 times and my replacement was always a few weeks away. The 4.7 I sent in was seriously messed up, I significantly bent the edge in many places just processing a single deer. I probably cut against bone several times (as I always do when deboning meat) but I have done this many times with other knives and never seen edge deformation as a result! Much to contrary my other deer knives are a Benchmade fixed blade (D2 steel), Dozier (D2 steel) and Falkniven F1 and H1 (VG-10), and Moras (Carbon and Stainless) have never needed more than a stropping after doing a full deer. So when I sent the knife in and they said they wanted to keep it for "testing" I assumed they found it had a serious heat treat issue and gladly accepted the replacement they said was a month or so out. Of course I was an idiot to believe that but honestly I did not want the 4.7 back as it had some serious heat treat issues.

S!K is meme level ridiculous now. I traded the replacement almost immediately. I just couldn't trust them anymore and didn't want to run into an issue again and wait another 3 years for a fix...
I traded for a Carothers Performance Knives Kephart in Delta 3V and couldn't be happier! It performs as 3V is supposed to!

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…… sorry to quote you Macchina Macchina but worth reminding people about the Survive warranty !
 
EngrSorenson said:
I expected there’d be terminal people waiting for a S!K, but I never imagined that they wouldn’t care that they never got to have it before they died.

If Charles Manson had followers that loyal, he could have taken over the world.
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Yeah, when you see reviews like that, pretty safe to think something is fishy.
 
marrenmiller said:
Some corrections to some posts on this thread. Not a defense of S!K, which I wrote about in this very thread and do not recommend buying from.

Carothers also uses Peters for their heat treatment. It's not very practical for smaller makers to do their own heat treatments, so most contract the job out.

The Delta protocol is carried out for CPK by their contractor, and was for Survive as well until Survive decided to go back to the conventional secondary hardening heat treatment protocol.

Guy and Nathan Carothers both worked on developing the Delta 3V protocol, which was why Survive was using it originally (and is also why IMO it's so absurd that Survive stopped using it in favor of something worse).
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I have always done a version of Delta HT on 3V and Cruwear. I was not willing to sacrifice a significant level of corrosion resistance for a modest hardness bump. The strange thing with those steels is the data sheets all called for the high temp temper (secondary hardening), I checked with a metallurgist friend (many of you know) and he told me it was totally not necessary. I temper those steels around 350 and they are great. Delta is just a marketing spin on a pretty typical HT protocol.
 
gscreely said:
Delta is just a marketing spin on a pretty typical HT protocol.
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That it might be, but it gets results. I'm happy to support those who put the work in to develop a protocol that isn't the basic one on a manufacturer's spec sheet. I'd bet most makers using 3V do the secondary hardening protocol.
 

In Stock: GSO-5.1 Factory 2nds​


The assembly bench has been getting a lot of use lately! In addition to yesterday's announcement we also have a small batch of GSO-5.1 Factory 2nds built. Those are in stock and will ship within the next few days.


LOL! Every thime same move. They will actualy sell this batch as factory seconds, and none of people who preordered knife will get one.
 
theknifejunky said:
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In Stock: GSO-5.1 Factory 2nds​



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The assembly bench has been getting a lot of use lately! In addition to yesterday's announcement we also have a small batch of GSO-5.1 Factory 2nds built. Those are in stock and will ship within the next few days.


LOL! Every thime same move. They will actualy sell this batch as factory seconds, and none of people who preordered knife will get one.
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Might be easier to obtain than a Carothers Performance Knife....okay, that's not funny.
 
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