Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame

No matter the intent he has it is clear he at the least does not know how to run this type of business and doesn't really know how to make a knife. He may know how to set his standards and know what those standards are. I haven't seen anything to indicate he knows enough how how his machines work and the process for HT of steels to say he knows how to competently make a knife particularly to the standards he claims to shoot for.
 
Well today he can't do final wipe down in shipping because it's raining. He has to take a day off to hang a light.

If you really want to see some BS and con artistry, watch the shop tour video from another YouTuber. "Survive Knives Shop Tour Part 1 of 2"

This person has to listen to Guy's BS and agree, just to get a few free knives. He's now got videos of TSK and other knives no one can get. I hope it is worth it.
 
To add to my last statement that inability and/or ignorance should be sufficient reason for his business to fail and should have failed long ago. The manner in which he has maintained this business is questionable in intent to be generous here. There has never been a clear timeline for back orders and clearly the provided timeline to preorders is inaccurate for the vast majority of customers if not all. The excuses for failures continuously roll in and the business has moved around while continuing to struggle to produce products that are effectively purchased and awaiting delivery. It is a disgusting mismanagement and incompetence at best for the way this business has been run. The fact that the degree to which this business has failed while managing to hang on gives only aids in supporting the arguments that this is a scam instead of a business. I try to not be too biased but this is very difficult and I have not nor will I ever purchase a knife from him as clearly this is a failed business to me and is just the lingering shadow of an attempt to run a business when giving it my most generous outlook.
 
rmc001 said:
He's now got videos of TSK and other knives no one can get. I hope it is worth it.
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The 3V TSKs that have been on their Production Schedule's Shipping Now list for 2.5 years? That Guy said just needed sheaths more than a year ago and still have not shipped?

Anyway the best part of searching for that video was this one came up just below it:
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He could knock the dust off that one and post it again, dub in the new steels, and it would be fit right in the flow.
 
Would who actually makes knives please comment on the following video?

Guy shows a batch of EDC 4’s that just came back from heat treating. He then puts them on a flat plate to show how perfectly flat they are.

However, the blades do not have a bevel ground on them yet.

Aren’t bevels usually ground before they go to heat treat, then after heat treat finish off with just a small amount of grinding?

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Now that these came back without any imperfections I believe it’s time to get my order in for one of each🤥
 
jeffbird said:
Would who actually makes knives please comment on the following video?

Guy shows a batch of EDC 4’s that just came back from heat treating. He then puts them on a flat plate to show how perfectly flat they are.

However, the blades do not have a bevel ground on them yet.

Aren’t bevels usually ground before they go to heat treat, then after heat treat finish off with just a small amount of grinding?

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I’d be happy to answer this.

It depends either way is acceptable. Not doing pregrinding usually means a lower chance of warping. Uneven pre-grinding can lead to warping. Post heat treat grinding is totally normal. The issues comes in with higher wear resistant steels like magancut, m390, elmax. It puts a lot of wear on belts and wheels doing all your grinding post heat treat. To help combat this production companies usually run stuff softer to make grinding easier. I’m not sure if Survive discloses their hardness and peters usually doesn’t write accurate numbers on the papers I know I’ve tested blanks I’ve sent to them. So unless someone has a hardness tester to test the blade or sends one to a maker with a tester we won’t know where it actually falls.
 
Thescrawnylumberjack said:
I’d be happy to answer this.

It depends either way is acceptable. Not doing pregrinding usually means a lower chance of warping. Uneven pre-grinding can lead to warping. Post heat treat grinding is totally normal. The issues comes in with higher wear resistant steels like magancut, m390, elmax. It puts a lot of wear on belts and wheels doing all your grinding post heat treat. To help combat this production companies usually run stuff softer to make grinding easier. I’m not sure if Survive discloses their hardness and peters usually doesn’t write accurate numbers on the papers I know I’ve tested blanks I’ve sent to them. So unless someone has a hardness tester to test the blade or sends one to a maker with a tester we won’t know where it actually falls.
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Guy says “63 Rockwell”

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jeffbird said:
Guy says “63 Rockwell”

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Guy might tell Peters 63 and that might be what Peters tells Guy the hardness is but I’ve heard from others that what Peters writes on the paper isn’t always the actual HRC. How many guys have a hardness tester to validate what Peters is telling them? My guess would be none. I tested a blade I sent to them and I specified 60 Hrc and the paper said it was 60 but it tested 58 on my calibrated tester. Keep in mind as well they spot check blades from batches they do. This is why I’d love to actually hardness test a survive knife. Many other production knife makers have missed the advertised hardness range.
 
Thescrawnylumberjack said:
Guy might tell Peters 63 and that might be what Peters tells Guy the hardness is but I’ve heard from others that what Peters writes on the paper isn’t always the actual HRC. How many guys have a hardness tester to validate what Peters is telling them? My guess would be none. I tested a blade I sent to them and I specified 60 Hrc and the paper said it was 60 but it tested 58 on my calibrated tester. Keep in mind as well they spot check blades from batches they do. This is why I’d love to actually hardness test a survive knife. Many other production knife makers have missed the advertised hardness range.
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Please excuse my ignorance with asking, but since the large heat treating companies do so much volume, does where the knife is placed in a batch affect it at all ( such as being located in the center verses an edge)? I am not a maker yet, but I follow y’alls threads and comments, and appreciate you offering your expertise.
 
beeinak said:
Please excuse my ignorance with asking, but since the large heat treating companies do so much volume, does where the knife is placed in a batch affect it at all ( such as being located in the center verses an edge)? I am not a maker yet, but I follow y’alls threads and comments, and appreciate you offering your expertise.
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I’m not sure how large these furnaces are but from the sounds of it they’re pretty big. I would assume where the part is may affect the heat treat. When the parts are air quenched there is retained heat within the kiln which could affect the heat treat depending on how quickly parts are removed or how much retained heat there is. Let’s say after the quench the retained heat brings the kiln back up to 350 degrees and the parts aren’t removed your essentially tempering those parts. I do not know how much heat is retained in these kilns. Also the speed at which they make it to cryo is critical. If the parts sit at room temp for even an hour cryo isn’t very effective. Ideally it’s quench and immediately into cryo. Think of it as a second quench or a continuation of the quench.
 
EngrSorenson said:
"This is giving us the ability to absorb some of the what I believe are material deficiencies." - 1:16
You can even see how he's starting to use legally careful language surrounding these issues.

5:00 - he's talking about how he went to CRK to learn more about the people at Millit (who came from CRK) because they mishandled him as a customer so badly.
Guy will never recover or ever stop moaning about Millit.

7:30 - Reached out again to the attorney to get clarification- (gets distracted by a cat)- reveals that NSM is asking for an DNA and to pull the videos.
Guy wants the compensation, but Guy doesn't want to strike a deal. Just watch him drumming that up to be some underhanded scheme!
It's more like NSM wants to settle up to make the headache stop, but doesn't believe they're at fault!
Happens all the time.

"You being successful with the material is not evidence that someone else is not being successful with the material."
"That's like saying, I drive a toyota truck and I've never wrecked it, so nobody wrecks toyota trucks."
"That's a false equivalency."
Well THAT, sir, just shows me the educational system has let you down.

... First of all, the analogy is flawed. It would be like Toyota produced a faulty truck that some people drove off the road and wrecked because they used it in a specific way that is not frequently necessary.

Then he says other people are starting to speak up, providing some real weak statements, stating the inverse argument of what he just renounced.
... The guy can't think his way out of a paper bag.

... then he goes to say that it's process driven...
Does he understand that the implication is equally possible that what he's doing is making all the difference in Magnacut blades?

In the words of the great Napoleon Dynamite, "Friggin' Idiot!".
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Gods that was disappointing in ways I can't express.





(he didn't show us his cat)
 
Interested to hear about issues with Peters' as I use them and have never had any issues with hardness (had several S90V blades tested when I requested they be run at 62 RC by an independent machinist, and the registered as 62 RC on the nose!) I also noticed that every single blade from each batch had a polished section on the tang with 1-2 RC tester indents. TBF, I usually only send small batches of between 5-12 blades at a time. Did a quick Google search and haven't come up with anything outside SURVIVE's claims of bad heat treat, my Google-fu may be weak.

But now you got me looking at benchtop hardness testers for my shop...
 
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